Psionic Telepathy

[smurf]

Cannot speak should have a mitagator.

Like shortsighted is offset by glasses...

Knock off 60% of mute = -10pts.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by smurf

Cannot speak should have a mitagator.

Like shortsighted is offset by glasses...

Knock off 60% of mute = -10pts.

While this isn't an exact statement, Mitigators are meant for cases when inventory negates a Disadvantage. You can still have 'compensatory' pairs, such as Blindness + Para-RADAR.

[Noven]

Originally Posted by smurf

Cannot speak should have a mitagator.

Like shortsighted is offset by glasses...

Knock off 60% of mute = -10pts.

Why would it need a mitigator? The species cannot speak at all =).

[chimchim]

Originally Posted by smurf

Cannot speak should have a mitagator.

Like shortsighted is offset by glasses...

Knock off 60% of mute = -10pts.

i know it is not exactly RAW but i might go as far as to say in a campaign run by me the disadvantage of mute would not be alowed in this case. My justification would be that i will not allow a player (or a race) to get points for a disadvantage that is not a disadvantage. In this case this race has traded vocal comunication (short ranged, subject to easy interference, easy to eaves drop on etc) for a superior telepathic form of comunication (longer ranged, much harder to jam or eaves drop on). The only time id allow the mute disadvantage (and at a reduced level) was if the telepathy was limited to OWN RACE in a multirace enviroment. how ever this is just my personal opinion lol but i can so see where smurf comes from with the obove lol.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by chimchim

i know it is not exactly RAW but i might go as far as to say in a campaign run by me the disadvantage of mute would not be alowed in this case. My justification would be that i will not allow a player (or a race) to get points for a disadvantage that is not a disadvantage. In this case this race has traded vocal comunication (short ranged, subject to easy interference, easy to eaves drop on etc) for a superior telepathic form of comunication (longer ranged, much harder to jam or eaves drop on). The only time id allow the mute disadvantage (and at a reduced level) was if the telepathy was limited to OWN RACE in a multirace enviroment. how ever this is just my personal opinion lol but i can so see where smurf comes from with the obove lol.

You said it yourself - traded. The point difference was paid. Telesend is somewhat more expensive than the ability to speak, and it still has downsides, such as the difficulty of broadcasting globally - you can yell 'Help!' to a big street; you will not necessarily succeed in Telesending everybody.

[chimchim]

Originally Posted by Molokh

You said it yourself - traded. The point difference was paid. Telesend is somewhat more expensive than the ability to speak, and it still has downsides, such as the difficulty of broadcasting globally - you can yell 'Help!' to a big street; you will not necessarily succeed in Telesending everybody.

I believe (though i am afb at the mo) you are 100% correct with regards RAW with regards the points cost of the trade.
My own gut tells me though that the inability to speak or make vocal sounds cant still be worth -25 points when you can still comunicate quite adequately at range (and at ranges verbal comunication can not begin to emulate with out serious technological assistance). As for the yelling "help" is there not a global modifier for telesend? (again i am afb at the mo).

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by chimchim

I believe (though i am afb at the mo) you are 100% correct with regards RAW with regards the points cost of the trade.
My own gut tells me though that the inability to speak or make vocal sounds cant still be worth -25 points when you can still comunicate quite adequately at range (and at ranges verbal comunication can not begin to emulate with out serious technological assistance). As for the yelling "help" is there not a global modifier for telesend? (again i am afb at the mo).

Global sending is moderately difficult, end requires an expensive enhancement.

Look at it another way: would you charge more for Telesend if the user started out mute (at normal cost)?

[chimchim]

Originally Posted by Molokh

Global sending is moderately difficult, end requires an expensive enhancement.

Look at it another way: would you charge more for Telesend if the user started out mute (at normal cost)?

No i would not i would ask for the player to buy off the mute disadvantage . However i am trying to remember a section of text in GURPS characters that concerned disadvantages that were mitigated or negated (cant remember the exact wording) by an advantage being disallowed. In my opinion this is one of those situations (and by KROM do i wish i had my books with me now lol).

[transmetahuman]

Remember these telepaths won't be able to communicate through machinery, or even writing (unless they do take languages for writing). This is pretty relevant in regards to both the Mind Reading (Universal, Hearing-Based) vs. Omnilingual choice, and the issue of how much Mute is worth to them.