No SM modifier to Evading ?

[Kromm]

The reason why small animals seem to evade well is because, usually, we're trying to grab them. SM applies as usual when grappling; if you try to grapple a mouse, you suffer its SM on your attack roll just as you would on any attack roll, and you grapple at -9 or so. Even if you succeed, the mouse may dodge. In plain English, the mouse has "evaded" you if you fail. However, it hasn't evaded you in GURPS terms -- you just missed, or it dodged. The mouse would only have evaded you in game terms if it had tried to run over your body or between your legs and you had failed to swat it back.

[Luther]

Originally Posted by Kromm

The reason why small animals seem to evade well is because, usually, we're trying to grab them. SM applies as usual when grappling; if you try to grapple a mouse, you suffer its SM on your attack roll just as you would on any attack roll

Does the SM apply to melee and grappling?

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Luther

Does the SM apply to melee and grappling?

Not mêlée 8(

It was discussed in an early thread, The impression I walked away with was a SM bigger than your own doesn't really matter in mêlée (basically once it bigger than you it doesn't become any easier to hit by getting bigger), but a SM smaller than you should have an effect.

EDIT: LOL Luther you should know that already...you where in that thread yourself ;)

[Luther]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

Not mêlée 8(

It was discussed in an early thread, The impression I walked away with was a SM bigger than your own doesn't really matter in mêlée (basically once it bigger than you it doesn't become any easier to hit by getting bigger), but a SM smaller than you should have an effect.

EDIT: LOL Luther you should know that already...you where in that thread yourself ;)

Did you noticed the quoted text from Kromm?

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Luther

Did you noticed the quoted text from Kromm?

Well as there are no quote from Kromm (at this time) in the other thread, I must assume you referring to the one in the post I replied to.

where he mentioned Grappling, and not a single mention of mêlée. grapple is a special case attack, you can ever do ranged grapples (Net guns)

EDIT: And the Grappling rules (B370) Do state that Size matters (but it not a direct SM modifier)

[Luther]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

Well as there are no quote from Kromm (at this time) in the other thread, I must assume you referring to the one in the post I replied to.

where he mentioned Grappling, and not a single mention of mêlée. grapple is a special case attack, you can ever do ranged grapples (Net guns)

EDIT: And the Grappling rules (B370) Do state that Size matters (but it not a direct SM modifier)

And so? If Kromm mentioned SM while Grappling, and it isn't in the rules, it's quite possible all our speculation about Melee modifiers are wrong. So it make sense to ask him

Does the SM apply to melee and grappling?

without having you jumping in and stating the obvious, adding nothing but noise to the thread, and preventing Kromm from eventually replying to our confusion.

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Luther

And so? If Kromm mentioned SM while Grappling, and it isn't in the rules, it's quite possible all our speculation about Melee modifiers are wrong. So it make sense to ask him

yes it is, Read B370, under Posture. and under Pin. in Both cases it clearly stat your Reltive SM matters.

[cccwebs]

Originally Posted by Kromm

The reason why small animals seem to evade well is because, usually, we're trying to grab them. SM applies as usual when grappling; if you try to grapple a mouse, you suffer its SM on your attack roll just as you would on any attack roll, and you grapple at -9 or so. Even if you succeed, the mouse may dodge. In plain English, the mouse has "evaded" you if you fail. However, it hasn't evaded you in GURPS terms -- you just missed, or it dodged. The mouse would only have evaded you in game terms if it had tried to run over your body or between your legs and you had failed to swat it back.

Erk. Now I'm confused. (though no more than usual) The rules say Ranged attacks apply the SM, but do not state that Melee attacks use the SM at all. (SM isn't listed in the Melee Attack Modifiers table on p 547) So is this an errata or an oversight? If so, it's gonna make having a -SM a very unbalancing free trait.