[Spaceships] Arcturus-class Battleship (TL10, no superscience)

Adelus · 08-16-2008, 04:21 AM

Arcturus-class Battleship (TL10)
dST/HP: 150 (Threshold 15)
HT: 13
Hnd/SR: -4/5
Move: 0.015G/144 mps
SM+10
Lwt: 10,000 Tons
dDR: 100H/100H/50H
Occ: 90ASV
Load: 494 tons
Cost: $1,030,200,000

Front Hull
[1-2] Nanocomposite Armor (dDR 50 each, Hardened)
[3!] Major Battery (1x 3GJ UV Laser, 1x workspace)
[4] Quarternary Battery

100x 24cm Launchers
1000x 24cm Missiles
1x workspaces

[5] Tactical Array

Level 11 sensors
1x workspace

[6] Hangar Bay (300 tons)

1x workspace

[core] Control Room

C9
10 stations
Level 9 sensors
1 workspace

Central Hull

[1-2] Nanocomposite Armor (dDR 50 each, Hardened)
[3!] Quaternary Battery

100x 300KJ VRF Improved Lasers
1x workspace

[4-6] Fuel Tanks

500 tons water, 24 mps each

[core] Habitat (60)

1x Luxury Cabin (Captain), 1
4x Cabin (Officers, 2 per room), 4
4x Bunkrooms (Other officers, etc.), 4
8x Double Bunks (Crew, Technicians, Marines), 8
2x Establishments (Mess Hall, Gym), 4
2x Sickbays with Automeds, 2
1x Minifac, 1
35x 5 ton steerage cargo space, 175 tons, 35
2x 5 ton Armoury, 10 tons, 1
1x Workspace

Rear Hull
[1] Nanocomposite Armor (dDR 50 each, Hardened)
[2] Fusion Reactor

2x PP
1x workspace

[3-5] Fuel Tanks

500 tons water, 24 mps each

[6] Fusion Rocket (0.015G)

1x workspace

Design Features: None
Design Notes: Exposed Radiators

This is just my attempt to make a non-superscience TL10 battleship. I did some extrapolating with the Quarternary Batteries, and got some ideas for the habitat makeup from jmurrel's Patrol Frigate.

Ship names would likely be those of Red Giant stars.

EDIT: The shoddy formatting on the top near the [3!] Major Battery just seems to keep adding itself every time I try to fix it. Oh well.

EDIT 2: And it seems to get worse with every edit...

thtraveller · 08-16-2008, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adelus

Arcturus-class Battleship (TL10)
HT: 14 (+1 for minifac robofac...or is that legal?)

I think it only counts if it is a complete !Factory module

Quote:

Hnd/SR: -2/5

I think -4/5 as acc is less than 0.1G

Great minds think alike and all that - here is my Transhuman Space TL10 SM+10 Space Dominance Vehicle :-) http://www.transhuman.talktalk.net/ts/4eSDV.htm

Adelus · 08-16-2008, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thtraveller

I think it only counts if it is a complete !Factory module

Ah, that makes sense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thtraveller

I think -4/5 as acc is less than 0.1G

Ha! I forgot about that. Thank you for catching that for me.

Adelus · 08-17-2008, 09:12 PM

I noticed a problem with the design strategy after running through some numbers.

As it is, even two layers of armor, hardened, is inefficient to deal with the firepower a major laser battery can dish out. Given that this will probably have space combat turns of 10 minutes, each major battery will have a RoF of 30 if UV Laser, and 60 if normal laser (due to being improved). Given another SM+10 craft, each major battery cannon will do 6d6*5 dDamage. Against two layers of nanocomposite armor, hardened, with a total dDR of 100H, any roll greater than 20 will cause damage to go through.

+10 for the SM of a like-sized battleship
0 for sAcc
-12 for long range
+5 for the rate of fire.

+3 total. Assuming a gunner with a skill of 14 or so, or a similar A.I. targeting system, that gives us a skill of 17. With a Rcl of 1, an average roll of 10 or 11 will mean 6-7 shots hitting the target.

Big ships don't have much incentive to use missiles then; they do have incentive to have great numbers of point defense, though, and a greater number of large cannon to maximize the barrage on the enemy.

Smaller ships, however, have a definite benefit to using missiles, as they are sort of an equalizer: What your normal cannons can't do, the missiles can attempt to do. If even one streaks past the point defenses, you are looking at your big, expensive battleship being ripped apart.

Taking this into account, I think I might try redesigning the template to take this into account; maybe replace some of the missile batteries with another major battery.

joelbf · 10-01-2008, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adelus

+10 for the SM of a like-sized battleship
0 for sAcc
-12 for long range
+5 for the rate of fire.

+3 total. Assuming a gunner with a skill of 14 or so, or a similar A.I. targeting system, that gives us a skill of 17. With a Rcl of 1, an average roll of 10 or 11 will mean 6-7 shots hitting the target.

While your conclusion seem plausible this would probably be:

+10 target SM
0 for sAcc
+1 for GJ+ beam
+2 for fixed
+5 for rof
+12 for skill (most crew will not be veteran)

For 18 at long or 22 at short.

Most likely ~6 or ~10 hits (halve that if using the +1 rcl option p. 59).

Now your target can have 3 ECM for -3 and we are down to 3/7 hits.

It can also dodge with a dodge of say (12 +1 (tactical naviagtion))/2 +1 (combat reflexes) + -4 (handling) +3 (turn length) + 3 (defensive ECM) = 10

Not nearly enough :)

08-16-2008, 04:21 AM	#1
Adelus Join Date: Jul 2007	[Spaceships] Arcturus-class Battleship (TL10, no superscience) Arcturus-class Battleship (TL10) dST/HP: 150 (Threshold 15) HT: 13 Hnd/SR: -4/5 Move: 0.015G/144 mps SM+10 Lwt: 10,000 Tons dDR: 100H/100H/50H Occ: 90ASV Load: 494 tons Cost: $1,030,200,000 Front Hull [1-2] Nanocomposite Armor (dDR 50 each, Hardened) [3!] Major Battery (1x 3GJ UV Laser, 1x workspace) [4] Quarternary Battery 100x 24cm Launchers 1000x 24cm Missiles 1x workspaces [5] Tactical Array Level 11 sensors 1x workspace [6] Hangar Bay (300 tons) 1x workspace [core] Control Room C9 10 stations Level 9 sensors 1 workspace Central Hull [1-2] Nanocomposite Armor (dDR 50 each, Hardened) [3!] Quaternary Battery 100x 300KJ VRF Improved Lasers 1x workspace [4-6] Fuel Tanks 500 tons water, 24 mps each [core] Habitat (60) 1x Luxury Cabin (Captain), 1 4x Cabin (Officers, 2 per room), 4 4x Bunkrooms (Other officers, etc.), 4 8x Double Bunks (Crew, Technicians, Marines), 8 2x Establishments (Mess Hall, Gym), 4 2x Sickbays with Automeds, 2 1x Minifac, 1 35x 5 ton steerage cargo space, 175 tons, 35 2x 5 ton Armoury, 10 tons, 1 1x Workspace Rear Hull [1] Nanocomposite Armor (dDR 50 each, Hardened) [2] Fusion Reactor 2x PP 1x workspace [3-5] Fuel Tanks 500 tons water, 24 mps each [6] Fusion Rocket (0.015G) 1x workspace Design Features: None Design Notes: Exposed Radiators This is just my attempt to make a non-superscience TL10 battleship. I did some extrapolating with the Quarternary Batteries, and got some ideas for the habitat makeup from jmurrel's Patrol Frigate. Ship names would likely be those of Red Giant stars. EDIT: The shoddy formatting on the top near the [3!] Major Battery just seems to keep adding itself every time I try to fix it. Oh well. EDIT 2: And it seems to get worse with every edit... Last edited by Adelus; 08-16-2008 at 11:59 AM.

08-17-2008, 09:12 PM	#4
Adelus Join Date: Jul 2007	Re: [Spaceships] Arcturus-class Battleship (TL10, no superscience) I noticed a problem with the design strategy after running through some numbers. As it is, even two layers of armor, hardened, is inefficient to deal with the firepower a major laser battery can dish out. Given that this will probably have space combat turns of 10 minutes, each major battery will have a RoF of 30 if UV Laser, and 60 if normal laser (due to being improved). Given another SM+10 craft, each major battery cannon will do 6d6*5 dDamage. Against two layers of nanocomposite armor, hardened, with a total dDR of 100H, any roll greater than 20 will cause damage to go through. +10 for the SM of a like-sized battleship 0 for sAcc -12 for long range +5 for the rate of fire. +3 total. Assuming a gunner with a skill of 14 or so, or a similar A.I. targeting system, that gives us a skill of 17. With a Rcl of 1, an average roll of 10 or 11 will mean 6-7 shots hitting the target. Big ships don't have much incentive to use missiles then; they do have incentive to have great numbers of point defense, though, and a greater number of large cannon to maximize the barrage on the enemy. Smaller ships, however, have a definite benefit to using missiles, as they are sort of an equalizer: What your normal cannons can't do, the missiles can attempt to do. If even one streaks past the point defenses, you are looking at your big, expensive battleship being ripped apart. Taking this into account, I think I might try redesigning the template to take this into account; maybe replace some of the missile batteries with another major battery.