[Dungeon Fantasy] What is a stick ?

[Collective_Restraint]

I have both DF pdfs and I want to know, what is a stick (for example Thrown Weapon (Stick)) ? Is a stick a staff ? Are both the same things or are they different ?

I am asking this because I was building a Druid character and wanted her Staff to be a enhanced with the Staff enchantment and bought as Signature Gear only to find out that it is worth only 40$. Fine I tought, I'll make it a fine staff then make it ornate so I can also use it as a Powestone, using the same example shown at p.28 of DF: Adventurers. Then I look at the details of the ornate modifier only to find out that it is available for all weapons except improvised weapons, projectiles, and sticks. Can I make my staff ornate or not ?

[Lonewulf]

Yes, I would say. I don't see why not. I mean, you're just jabbing little pretties into the staff and making it look nice.

However, if you want to go with worth... why not pick up a holy pendant or somesuch? If you're already going with "ornate staff"...

[whswhs]

[QUOTE=Collective_Restraint]I have both DF pdfs and I want to know, what is a stick (for example Thrown Weapon (Stick)) ? Is a stick a staff ? Are both the same things or are they different ?QUOTE]

A staff is not a stick. Yes, it's made of wood. But it's a lot longer. Remember that a stick is a thrown weapon. A piece of solid wood five or six feet long would be heavy and awkward to throw. It's kind of like the difference between a knife and a two-handed sword; the skill Thrown Weapon (Knife) doesn't apply to hurling your greatsword! Most "sticks" would be about as long as a knife, or maybe a shortsword at most.

Bill Stoddard

[Phantasm]

Probably the definitive "Thrown Weapon (Stick)" weapon is the boomerang, a stick designed to be thrown for maximum effectiveness. Batons are also valid weapons, IMO. I wouldn't consider a "staff" of any type larger than a baton to be thrown in such a manner as a "stick", but YMMV.

[Collective_Restraint]

Ahhhh, just found it in Basic Set but still can't find it in the Equipment section ??? That's funny, am I missing something ? What's the use of putting a skill without the weapon to use it ? :)

[Collective_Restraint]

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

Yes, I would say. I don't see why not. I mean, you're just jabbing little pretties into the staff and making it look nice.

However, if you want to go with worth... why not pick up a holy pendant or somesuch? If you're already going with "ornate staff"...

I like the combination of Signature Gear (Magic Staff) with Weapon Bond. I also didn't want put more than one point in Signature Gear.

[Kromm]

Sorry, several skills in the Basic Set were put there to cover future releases: Jitte/Sai, Tonfa, Thrown Weapon (Stick) . . . Two answers, then.

First, a wizard's staff is no mere stick. You can raise its price arbitrarily high by saying, "Mine has an $11,000 gem in the tip." DF is fairly clear on this. Work out the staff's value with all the CFs for weapon modifications, and then add any amount of value at the very end.

Second, per Martial Arts, here's what sticks are:

BOOMERANG (p. 231) – Australia. An angled, more aerodynamic THROWING STICK (p. 225) designed for hunting. Doesn't return; returning versions are unsuitable as weapons and in any event wouldn't return if they hit. The GM may make an exception for martial artists with Throwing Art! Treat as a BATON (p. B273) if used as a club.

THROWING STICK (p. 231) – Universal. Any heavy stick balanced enough to throw.

TL Weapon          Damage    Acc  Range  Weight  RoF  Shots  Cost  ST  Bulk
THROWN WEAPON (STICK) (DX-4)
0  Boomerang       sw cr     2    ×6/×10 1       1    T(1)   $20   6   -2
0  Throwing Stick  sw-1 cr   1    ×4/×8  1       1    T(1)   $10   6   -2

[Collective_Restraint]

Great answer as always, thanks ! Darn, again, I'm missing something because I don't have Martial Arts. I'll definately have to buy it now. Now I need to decide between searchable PDF or hardback...

[demonsbane]

Originally Posted by Collective_Restraint

Darn, again, I'm missing something because I don't have Martial Arts.

What!?!?

You are missing more than something not having Martial Arts!

That book will change your role playing life! ;-D

Really...

[Gudiomen]

Originally Posted by Collective_Restraint

Great answer as always, thanks ! Darn, again, I'm missing something because I don't have Martial Arts. I'll definately have to buy it now. Now I need to decide between searchable PDF or hardback...

You're missing a lot. To me the perk section alone was worth it.

Until I get they invent a cheap portable device (iPod sized) pdf viewer, I'd stick with the books... but I drool just imagining having my entire GURPS collection in my hand... I once actually got off on the wrong bus stop with a bag ful of 3e books... my shoulder hurts just from remembering carrying that. Still, they're great for a quick reference while playing.