Increasing physical traits of possessed victims

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

Yeah no, that's not an allowed build in the RAW, you can go ask Kromm about it if you want, but that one's a total crock.

Source please?

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

Source please?

.... the Affects Others enhancement, which makes ZERO mention of being applicable to an ability score, only Advantages?

[Ze'Manel Cunha]

Originally Posted by Bruno

.... the Affects Others enhancement, which makes ZERO mention of being applicable to an ability score, only Advantages?

Exactly, Affects Others is specifically not for Attributes, which require Affliction.

This is made clear in the last paragraph of the enhancement description, Powers p.108:

"To grant forbidden traits or affect unwilling subjects, buy Affliction with a suitable Advantage enhancement."

[Kromm]

I've had two requests for clarifications relevant to this thread, but I'm kind of short on time. What's the question, in small words?

It seems to me that it's an Affliction with a big Accessibility limitation such as "Only on Possession victims," which ought to be around -80% because it automatically drops range to "touch" and only works on one person in the whole world at a time. Then tack on the attribute bonuses (and any others), and then layer on Aura so that as soon as the victim loses the effects, he's reinfected with them.

[Bruno]

I think the question, in a nutshell, is which of the following are valid ways to buff a possession victim with an attribute bonus:

1. Buying the attribute bonus with the limitation "Only on possession victims"
2. Buying the attribute bonus with some combination of Cosmic and/or Affects Others... or some other enhancement entirely
3. Buying Affliction (Attribute bonus) with various enhancements and limitations

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by Kromm

It seems to me that it's an Affliction with a big Accessibility limitation such as "Only on Possession victims," which ought to be around -80% because it automatically drops range to "touch" and only works on one person in the whole world at a time. Then tack on the attribute bonuses (and any others), and then layer on Aura so that as soon as the victim loses the effects, he's reinfected with them.

Problem is you have to roll and keep rolling. A flat bonus without rolls is wanted.

Originally Posted by Kromm

I've had two requests for clarifications relevant to this thread, but I'm kind of short on time. What's the question, in small words?

Why not use Affects Others with a limitation that it doesn’t apply to your normal stats?

[Kromm]

Originally Posted by Bruno

Buying the attribute bonus with the limitation "Only on possession victims"

This one's out because it isn't a limitation. You'll nearly always have a victim -- some forms of possession don't let you live without one! And in his body, you'll always get his physical attributes. So being able to pump those up is clearly more beneficial than simply being stuck with flat scores of your own, and certainly not less useful. "I have ST 12" is significantly less useful than "I can possess a ST 10 guy and give him ST 12, a ST 1 rat and give it ST 3, etc." If nothing else, it has serious surprise value to be able to possess a ST 10 wimp, have him fight to the death at ST 20, and then flee his dying corpse for a new body.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Buying the attribute bonus with some combination of Cosmic and/or Affects Others... or some other enhancement entirely

I'd be okay with a new enhancement for Possession users only. The +50% range isn't bad.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Buying Affliction (Attribute bonus) with various enhancements and limitations

That's the way to do it without inventing anything new. Simply add permanent duration if you don't like rerolling. For low bonuses, it would cost quite a bit more than the option just above. For high bonuses, it would be a better deal. I wouldn't call it inherently better or worse.

Or you could just buy Alternate Form, specify your AF as being some godlike race with bonuses galore, and modify it so that you can only use it when possessing someone. A supernatural AF ought to travel with you from body to body and be useful to you while possessing someone.

[laserdog]

This really seems to be a case of an enhancement that only kicks in while you are in an "altered state".

Basic lists that as a -10% limitation.

I understand the technical arguments that this should really be an affliction. But really, the "Possession" ability is the wonky wicket here that is breaking rules, since it is agnostic of the physical characteristics of the people you possess.

Personally, I'm much happier to write "ST +1 (possessed puppets only -10%) [9]" on a sheet rather than a complex affliction.

And when the possessed spirit gets evicted, they'll be all the more vulnerable, which seems like a suitable disadvantage for the point break to me.

[RedMattis]

Statting things up in a similar way to what Kromm suggested...

Granting attributes to someone you possess is about as useful as having them yourself, most of the time as long as you can't go about possessing mosquitoes and such.

I'd to it like this:


I have increased strength and dexterity when possessing people!
Affliction (ST+5, (Limited: Uses shrinking rules for lower SM creatures*, -20%) +400%; DX+1, +200%; Aura, +80%; Limited: Only victims I am possessing, -80%) [70p]

*the possibly one of the most valuable things with granting strength like this is... the ability to do it to hamsters... *sigh*


When I possess people I imbue them with my superhuman strength and dexterity!
Increased ST+5 [50p]
Increased DX+1 [20p]
<previously mentioned affliction> (70/5) = [14p]

Seems pretty balanced I'd say.

[Ze'Manel Cunha]

Originally Posted by RedMattis

When I possess people I imbue them with my superhuman strength and dexterity!
Increased ST+5 [50p]
Increased DX+1 [20p]
<previously mentioned affliction> (70/5) = [14p]

Seems pretty balanced I'd say.

Um, huh?

(Could you explain what you mean?)