Martial Arts in WWII

[Darkwalker]

Originally Posted by Icelander

Broadsword Sport is both, I believe. One is just Broadsword Sport, with a saber that is heavy enough to use Broadsword skill (pretty much any real saber) and the other is often Broadsword Sport, Shield Sport, Wrestling, Brawling and maybe some team Tactics.

Well, IMHO anything you can do mad drunk as well as totally sober does not count as a sport. The actual "fencing moves" are learned in ten minutes, the rest is rote(sp)learning of the behaviour during it (not: the rules)

[Peter V. Dell'Orto]

Originally Posted by Icelander

Broadsword Sport is both, I believe.

Yes, it is. The fact that Mensur fencing uses lots of protection but sharp swords doesn't change the fact that it's Broadsword Sport just as much as SCA swordfighting with safety weapons and gear is.

If you truly believe that Mensurschlager is simply drunken imbeciles with a staggeringly low IQ whacking each other with no skill whatsoever, I'd advise having them in your games with NO skill, and simply default Broadsword Sport to DX-5 and take lots of Telegraphic Attacks using All-Out Attack (Determined). That's DX-5, +4 (AOA), +4 (TA), -5 Face = -2, for a net 8. They can swing for a while and eventually someone will roll an 8 and cut his opponent and win.

But it's still Broadsword Sport.

[Peter V. Dell'Orto]

It's also worth noting that sport fencing was popular in Germany in the 30s. Judo was practiced as well. Both would make good sports for your Nazi Officer Bad Guy in a WWII game.

[Darkwalker]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

Yes, it is. The fact that Mensur fencing uses lots of protection but sharp swords doesn't change the fact that it's Broadsword Sport just as much as SCA swordfighting with safety weapons and gear is.

If you truly believe that Mensurschlager is simply drunken imbeciles with a staggeringly low IQ whacking each other with no skill whatsoever, I'd advise having them in your games with NO skill, and simply default Broadsword Sport to DX-5 and take lots of Telegraphic Attacks using All-Out Attack (Determined). That's DX-5, +4 (AOA), +4 (TA), -5 Face = -2, for a net 8. They can swing for a while and eventually someone will roll an 8 and cut his opponent and win.

But it's still Broadsword Sport.

That has little to do with believes but a lot with what reality. The only time the average Burschi get's some real sport is when he is running away from a bunch of Autonome with normal students standing by and cheering for the latter.

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As for real fencing, that was and is a well known sport in germany. Chances are good any old guard officers still knew how to do it and those from "old military" families have learned it.

And the Judo practiced before WWII was often JuJitsu the more agressiv form, also introduced to the police at some time shortly before or after WWII.