Shield DR

[cupbearer]

Originally Posted by Anthony

The overpenetration rules are somewhat poorly written.

It is not clear from context whether this means "Similarly, a powerful [piercing, impaling, or tight-beam ranged] attack might go right through cover" or whether in fact all attacks can pass through cover and this is just a similar rule. My suspicion is that the intent is the first, but either one would be a valid interpretation.

same question here. I think overpenetration should be part of the first paragraph but i don't really understand it well.

[cupbearer]

Originally Posted by Flowergarden

Hi,
Overpenetration is for normal targets, shields are homogeneous, so have x4 HP for the same weight. Supposedly it's why it's different. It's just because shields are more ok with being penetrated.
There is nothing about only this types of damage can penetrate shields. I would say that crushing or cutting attack can break an arm behind it. Cutting can even cut through, put edge protection on it, I suppose. Seems kinda realistic and not against the rules.

cover DR would also be homogenous too though

[Flowergarden]

Originally Posted by cupbearer

cover DR would also be homogenous too though

And in that case would be 1/4, as in rules for overpenetration.

And if damage exceedes cover DR... It's the same as with normal DR, you just decrease damage removing cover DR from it

[cupbearer]

Originally Posted by Flowergarden

And in that case would be 1/4, as in rules for overpenetration.

And if damage exceedes cover DR... It's the same as with normal DR, you just decrease damage removing cover DR from it

my question is, can you penetrate cover DR without using piercing or impaling?

[Flowergarden]

Originally Posted by cupbearer

my question is, can you penetrate cover DR without using piercing or impaling?

As you seen, no one knows for sure. People give their opinions, but what you would do in your games isn't something they can decide for you.

So quick answer
Probably "yes". But cutting damage converts to crushing if shield is still "alive". (Still only opinion)

Why I think so:
Rules said about shields being a cover. With a cover DR... And "cover DR" is for imp/pi/tbb and explosions... If explosions can do it, crushing attacks should to, right?

I would advise against cutting damage going through. This throws logic out of the window. Just make it crushing (as in armor and edge damage rules but only shield destruction let you penetrate).

[Plane]

Originally Posted by cupbearer

my question is, can you penetrate cover DR without using piercing or impaling?

B408 opens with "When you inflict piercing, impaling, or tight-beam burning damage with a ranged attack," so yeah yeah - lasers can do it too.

Being super-strict it means throwing a spear can do it but using a spear in a melee couldn't, but I like allowing it for melee too as long as it's a long weapon with multiple ranges and you kinda step into it.