MG in HTH

Axly Suregrip · 02-06-2024, 05:01 PM

When fighting in HTH with a main-gauche, do you still get the DX -1 penalty for having a main-gauche?

Its equivalent is shields, but shields are dropped in HTH. Armor DX penalties remain during HTH. So, I would expect a MG's DX penalty to remain. But it is no longer providing the -1 damage while in HTH nor the potential second attack. So, is it just a clumsy dagger for HTH?

hcobb · 02-06-2024, 06:51 PM

Since when is a Small Shield a -1 DX penalty to those with the Shield talent?

timm meyers · 02-06-2024, 09:10 PM

Listed on the armor table but noted to "attacks as dagger" + within the rules for fencing talent and left-handed weapons referenced as a dagger.

Is it some historical heavy hilted blade somewhere between a short sword and a stiletto? Could be if you want. I personally treat this and any other dagger in the offhand of a skilled fencer as a 1-1 dam dagger, can parry a hit, and used normally in HTH.

The DX mod on the chart? I have always ignored.

Shostak · 02-06-2024, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Axly Suregrip

When fighting in HTH with a main-gauche, do you still get the DX -1 penalty for having a main-gauche?

Its equivalent is shields, but shields are dropped in HTH. Armor DX penalties remain during HTH. So, I would expect a MG's DX penalty to remain. But it is no longer providing the -1 damage while in HTH nor the potential second attack. So, is it just a clumsy dagger for HTH?

I can't say for sure, since my computer won't open my ITL PDF, but that sounds correct to me.

Main gauche probably ought to be retired now that we have the Fencing talent.

Steve Plambeck · 02-07-2024, 02:59 AM

I would take the "attacks as dagger" in the armor table literally. Once in HTH it's no longer the "left hand's" anything, it is now the only dagger and only weapon for that matter because you had to drop everything else. So now it's just a dagger. Someone (not I) could claim the figure has to transfer the main-gauche to the other (right) hand first in order to lose the -1 adjustment, but this breaks with all the rest of TFT where handedness is just ignored.

All RPG world settings should just say everyone is ambidextrous and avoid all the messy alternatives :)

Axly Suregrip · 02-07-2024, 03:19 PM

And by the rules, anything you determine applying to the Main-Gauche will also affect a single cestus.

02-06-2024, 05:01 PM	#1
Axly Suregrip Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Durham, NC	MG in HTH When fighting in HTH with a main-gauche, do you still get the DX -1 penalty for having a main-gauche? Its equivalent is shields, but shields are dropped in HTH. Armor DX penalties remain during HTH. So, I would expect a MG's DX penalty to remain. But it is no longer providing the -1 damage while in HTH nor the potential second attack. So, is it just a clumsy dagger for HTH?

02-06-2024, 06:51 PM	#2
hcobb Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California	Re: MG in HTH Since when is a Small Shield a -1 DX penalty to those with the Shield talent? __________________ -HJC Last edited by hcobb; 02-06-2024 at 06:55 PM.

02-06-2024, 09:10 PM	#3
timm meyers Join Date: May 2020	Re: MG in HTH Listed on the armor table but noted to "attacks as dagger" + within the rules for fencing talent and left-handed weapons referenced as a dagger. Is it some historical heavy hilted blade somewhere between a short sword and a stiletto? Could be if you want. I personally treat this and any other dagger in the offhand of a skilled fencer as a 1-1 dam dagger, can parry a hit, and used normally in HTH. The DX mod on the chart? I have always ignored.

02-07-2024, 02:59 AM	#5
Steve Plambeck Join Date: Jun 2019	Re: MG in HTH I would take the "attacks as dagger" in the armor table literally. Once in HTH it's no longer the "left hand's" anything, it is now the only dagger and only weapon for that matter because you had to drop everything else. So now it's just a dagger. Someone (not I) could claim the figure has to transfer the main-gauche to the other (right) hand first in order to lose the -1 adjustment, but this breaks with all the rest of TFT where handedness is just ignored. All RPG world settings should just say everyone is ambidextrous and avoid all the messy alternatives :) __________________ "I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I'm right."

02-07-2024, 03:19 PM	#6
Axly Suregrip Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Durham, NC	Re: MG in HTH And by the rules, anything you determine applying to the Main-Gauche will also affect a single cestus.