Forcing Retreat in Melee / TFT

[Drakenbow]

Originally Posted by Bill_in_IN

Another question about Force Retreats.

I don't see where their are any size references with respect to how this option is applied. For example, a PC is fighting a giant. The PC inflicts damage on te giant and doesn't take damage.

Per ITL RAW, the attacking PC could go for Force Retreat even if only one point of damage is inflicted on the giant.

Thoughts?

RAW as you note doesn't discuss size of attacker vs defender. It seems to depend on if one thinks a small creature could push back a larger one. If you think the situation isn't truly applicable for a one-on-one situation, the rules for engagement might be considered here. Two (or more) one-hex vs a giant when those who damaged the giant didn't get damaged themselves. It might be odd for a one-hex to force a 14-hex dragon to retreat.

Another consideration about it would be how much damage was done like how larger creatures can take more before suffering a -2 DX or be knocked down.

The big thing as a GM, I would not try to pop it one the player(s) right at that moment. Having it drawn up as modifications to RAW and that they be aware of the alterations. As a player, I would be pleased if I could force the giant NPC into an unfavorable position. Though I hear Abominables bounce if they fall off cliffs.

[Bill_in_IN]

Originally Posted by Drakenbow

RAW as you note doesn't discuss size of attacker vs defender. It seems to depend on if one thinks a small creature could push back a larger one. If you think the situation isn't truly applicable for a one-on-one situation, the rules for engagement might be considered here. Two (or more) one-hex vs a giant when those who damaged the giant didn't get damaged themselves. It might be odd for a one-hex to force a 14-hex dragon to retreat.

Another consideration about it would be how much damage was done like how larger creatures can take more before suffering a -2 DX or be knocked down.

The big thing as a GM, I would not try to pop it one the player(s) right at that moment. Having it drawn up as modifications to RAW and that they be aware of the alterations. As a player, I would be pleased if I could force the giant NPC into an unfavorable position. Though I hear Abominables bounce if they fall off cliffs.

LOL!

Linking the forced treat to the engagement rules for multi-hex characters Sounds like a sound approach to me.

[Steve Plambeck]

While it's true some of the results for many things in this game sometimes seem silly, it can also be a lot of fun coming up with the in-game rationalizations that "explain" them.

Would a giant ever jump back a hex for taking a 1-point hit?

Maybe not all hits feel the same. A 1-point hit might not be any more life-threatening no matter where it lands, but what if by luck it occasionally lands somewhere exceptionally, well, sensitive. I'll leave that up to our collective imaginations.

Fact is, it could happen. One might jump a foot backwards getting a staple in their finger, even though that's nowhere near 10% or even 1% of the damage needed to kill them.

You could say there are a bunch of this type of thing factored into all the TFT rules just by their generalized, less granular nature. Call it design error, or call it sheer genius, whichever you prefer.

[Drakenbow]

Originally Posted by Steve Plambeck

Maybe not all hits feel the same. A 1-point hit might not be any more life-threatening no matter where it lands, but what if by luck it occasionally lands somewhere exceptionally, well, sensitive. I'll leave that up to our collective imaginations.

Ever have an angry cat jump in your face? I agree it could happen that one gets off balanced by a small critter.

[Bill_in_IN]

Originally Posted by Drakenbow

Ever have an angry cat jump in your face? I agree it could happen that one gets off balanced by a small critter.

I once accidentally stepped on our cat's tail because he quietly walked up behind me. He went into looking like a blurry ball of fur around my lower leg. When I lifted my foot, my leg was scratched up so bad that I had to disinfect and wrap it up in gauss. I took our or two hits of damage on my leg.

[Axly Suregrip]

Originally Posted by Drakenbow

RAW as you note doesn't discuss size of attacker vs defender. It seems to depend on if one thinks a small creature could push back a larger one. If you think the situation isn't truly applicable for a one-on-one situation, the rules for engagement might be considered here. Two (or more) one-hex vs a giant when those who damaged the giant didn't get damaged themselves. It might be odd for a one-hex to force a 14-hex dragon to retreat.

This is brilliant.

The problem with 1 hex figures injuring a multihex figure is that there can be so many more of them. The giant can only strike one of them, is likely to get struck by several. The above is an improvement on the current system of only one needs to strike the giant to drive it back.

I think the above is both brilliant and a reasonable approach. Nice job.

[Bill_in_IN]

Originally Posted by Axly Suregrip

This is brilliant.

The problem with 1 hex figures injuring a multihex figure is that there can be so many more of them. The giant can only strike one of them, is likely to get struck by several. The above is an improvement on the current system of only one needs to strike the giant to drive it back.

I think the above is both brilliant and a reasonable approach. Nice job.

I concur. Linking for forced retreats to engagement rules for multi-hex characters seems to be a sound approach.

[Steve Plambeck]

Originally Posted by Drakenbow

Ever have an angry cat jump in your face? I agree it could happen that one gets off balanced by a small critter.

Tell me about it! Babysitting a friend's dog just 48 hours ago, I got bit twice - on the face! It's a rescue dog with it's own case of PTSD, and I'd been warned he snaps if you are too close when you wake him up. Surely it was less than 1 hit of damage each time - shallow nips once near a lip and then once on an eyebrow - but I was Force Retreated at full MA clear to the bathroom down the hall both times for cold compresses and disinfectant. It all felt much worse than it turned out to be.

Originally Posted by Bill_in_IN

I concur. Linking for forced retreats to engagement rules for multi-hex characters seems to be a sound approach.

Ditto that! Excellent solution!