Who controls the MA for Flight Spell?

[Drakenbow]

Does the caster of a Flight Spell or the recipient of a Flight Spell control the MA if the two are not the same person? Or may it be the caster passes control to the recipient even though the caster energizes the spell?

[Axly Suregrip]

Good question. The subject of the spell (the recipient) controls his/her flying.

"Lets subject fly" - is the opening sentence to the spell. Thus it is the subject doing the flying.

[Bill_in_IN]

Originally Posted by Axly Suregrip

Good question. The subject of the spell (the recipient) controls his/her flying.

"Lets subject fly" - is the opening sentence to the spell. Thus it is the subject doing the flying.

I concur. Detailed questions like the OP do make us think about these things that we used to just take for granted. So, the wording that you pointed out is very important.

I find this in many things these days. There is a tendency to ask detailed questions and the answer usually lies in the wording as you pointed out which is a good thing. I find this in the workplace and test procedures. Younger people come along and ask a detailed question. You look for an answer in the wording and point it out to them. Some get it. Some don't. Also, I have found that some people came behind me and took such wording out of a procedure that I wrote years earlier. I point out what is meant or supposed to be stated and then work to fix it.

Some of the best questions for me to answer at work is, "Why do we do it that way?" Sometimes, it's been well over a decade since I even had to think about it. It makes me go back over it and make sure that my thinking was correct or still applicable.

[Drakenbow]

Originally Posted by Axly Suregrip

Good question. The subject of the spell (the recipient) controls his/her flying.

"Lets subject fly" - is the opening sentence to the spell. Thus it is the subject doing the flying.

Looking at the Flight spell, it seems stronger than the Telekinesis spell. 1) there is no listed weight limit for the former, while the latter is limited to the caster's ST ("...that he could do if his own body were there.") The Flight spell can essentially lift any (willing?) one-hex creature provided that the mind of the target knows what to do with the spell.

2) While the Telekinesis spell provides a more finer control over an inanimate object with untying of ropes or wielding a sword, would it be able to lift an unwilling person, if we consider that people aren't objects?

Carrying the average normal-sized person (150 lbs) would take a ST of 15.

And a person may carry up to 15 times ST (150 lbs at ST 10) for 10 minutes taking 1 fatigue every 2 minutes.

A person with a ST 9 could just lift (161 lbs), but not carry (max'ed at 135 lbs).

Approaching this with the concept of finding someone's "lack of faith in the Force disturbing" yet without the choking part.

[Shostak]

Originally Posted by Drakenbow

Looking at the Flight spell, it seems stronger than the Telekinesis spell.

Flight is fundamentally different than Telekinesis in that it grants the power to fly rather than subjecting something to magical manipulation as though at the hands of an invisible version of the wizard casting the spell.

The Flight spell can essentially lift any (willing?) one-hex creature provided that the mind of the target knows what to do with the spell.

No, it grants the power of flight.

2) While the Telekinesis spell provides a more finer control over an inanimate object with untying of ropes or wielding a sword, would it be able to lift an unwilling person, if we consider that people aren't objects?

Telekinesis could lift anything, provided the ST. Buff up a wizard’s ST sufficiently, and yes, they could lift a person off their feet. Or feel free to build a more powerful version of Telekinesis that lets the caster move objects as though their ST were some number of points higher (perhaps determined by how much ST they put into the spell). That could be cool.

[Steve Plambeck]

Originally Posted by Shostak

Telekinesis could lift anything, provided the ST. Buff up a wizard’s ST sufficiently, and yes, they could lift a person off their feet. Or feel free to build a more powerful version of Telekinesis that lets the caster move objects as though their ST were some number of points higher (perhaps determined by how much ST they put into the spell). That could be cool.

I see an opportunity here. Let the ST put in be dynamic. The caster keeps adding more ST spent, and the GM tells them when it finally lifts. Especially fun with an evil GM:

Wiz [rolling successfully]: That's Telekinesis I just cast on that blue chest to lift it.

GM: Okay! How much ST did you put into it.

Wiz: Hmm... I spend 2, that should do it.

GM [consults his notes]: Nope, it hasn't moved yet.

Wiz: Sure ok, I guess that's bigger than I thought. I put in 4 instead.

GM: Still not moving...

Wiz: Dang! Ok, make it 6.

GM: You really want to spend 6 ST?

Wiz: Yeah, that's gotta do it!

GM: Still not moving.

Wiz: Huh? Grrr... Okay! I spent 10 ST! So there.

GM: Still not moving

Wiz: Oh good grief! [bends over, looking closely]

Wiz: HEY! This thing is nailed to the floor!

GM: Maybe you should have looked before spending 10 ST

[hcobb]

There already are rules for higher fatigue costs for casting Flight or Telekinesis on multi-hex figures.

[Theng1980]

Originally Posted by Steve Plambeck

I see an opportunity here. Let the ST put in be dynamic. The caster keeps adding more ST spent, and the GM tells them when it finally lifts. Especially fun with an evil GM:

Wiz [rolling successfully]: That's Telekinesis I just cast on that blue chest to lift it.

GM: Okay! How much ST did you put into it.geometry dash lite

Wiz: Hmm... I spend 2, that should do it.

GM [consults his notes]: Nope, it hasn't moved yet.

Wiz: Sure ok, I guess that's bigger than I thought. I put in 4 instead.

GM: Still not moving...

Wiz: Dang! Ok, make it 6.

GM: You really want to spend 6 ST?

Wiz: Yeah, that's gotta do it!

GM: Still not moving.

Wiz: Huh? Grrr... Okay! I spent 10 ST! So there.

GM: Still not moving

Wiz: Oh good grief! [bends over, looking closely]

Wiz: HEY! This thing is nailed to the floor!

GM: Maybe you should have looked before spending 10 ST

Thanks for this answer.

[JohnPaulB]

Originally Posted by Drakenbow

The Flight spell can essentially lift any (willing?) one-hex creature provided that the mind of the target knows what to do with the spell.

Shostak says "No, it grants the power of flight."

Unless the subject knows he has a flight spell on him, is he going to know he can fly?

He might go through the duration of the spell, not knowing he could.

The caster had better tell the subject that he can fly.

[phiwum]

He knows he can fly when someone trips him and he misses the ground.