How to kill a toxifier

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Because you don't cast Affect Spirits for some reason?

The usual reason would be not knowing the spell or not wanting to bother casting it (a single toxifier isn't worth spending 2 seconds and 4 fatigue). You can also cast Air Jet; a 1 fp casting will average 14 injury (it does 2d damage to vaporous creatures and the toxifier has x2 vulnerability....).

[mburr0003]

I also allow Purify Air to hurt it, as it seems thematic. 2d6 per FP, +1d per extra FP spent to "do damage to the toxifier" (IE, extra FP not used to increase the area).

I allow the Higher Purpose of Holy Warriors to count as "an enchantment to affect insubstantial beings" of their enemy type, also the "Holy" enchantment. But they're Divine, so anything immune to Divine is also thereby immune.

Why? Because I once had a party with no Affect Spirits, and "enchanted weapons" do not harm toxifiers*. Ghostweapon would, but it's not in the Magic Items book, it costs the exact same as Accuracy and it just makes a weapon/ammo capable of affecting spirits (I also allow it to be enchanted on items to make bottles of 'ghost jail' and 'ghost cuffs", etc).


* "... but weapons enchanted to affect spirits or insubstantial entities bypass this and do damage normally." So any old enchantment will not do, it's specifically enchantments to hit spirits or insubstantial.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by mburr0003

Why? Because I once had a party with no Affect Spirits, and "enchanted weapons" do not harm toxifiers*.

Sure they do. Toxifiers are diffuse, not incorporeal, so every whack with a sword is 2 wounds.

[mburr0003]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Sure they do. Toxifiers are diffuse, not incorporeal, so every whack with a sword is 2 wounds.

No, I mean, "enchanted weapons" don't bypass the toxifier's Diffuse. Only weapons specifically enchanted to Affect Spirits or incorporeal beings. So your Accuracy and Puissance +1 sword at most does 2 damage per whack.

[sjmdw45]

Originally Posted by Anthony

The usual reason would be not knowing the spell or not wanting to bother casting it (a single toxifier isn't worth spending 2 seconds and 4 fatigue). You can also cast Air Jet; a 1 fp casting will average 14 injury (it does 2d damage to vaporous creatures and the toxifier has x2 vulnerability....).

But there's an 83% chance the Toxifier will successfully dodge your Air Jet, assuming it can Retreat. Or it might just straight-up avoid you with its Move 12.

Air Jet really isn't all that good against toxifiers unless you combine it with a control spell.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sjmdw45

But there's an 83% chance the Toxifier will successfully dodge your Air Jet, assuming it can Retreat. Or it might just straight-up avoid you with its Move 12.

Toxifiers have no ranged attacks. If it's staying out of reach it's harmless and someone can shoot it with arrows until dead.

[sjmdw45]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Toxifiers have no ranged attacks. If it's staying out of reach it's harmless and someone can shoot it with arrows until dead.

Correction: if it's staying out of reach of the guy with Air Jet, it's harmless to the guy with Air Jet. In the common case though where there's more than one character around, it's not harmless to the others unless they are in Fireball Formation with the Air Jet guy.

(Though to be fair, the toxifier's damage is also pretty weak.)

[Balor Patch]

1) "Staying out of reach" is controlled by the PCs. Being good upright people they are all wearing holy symbols, right? The Toxifier has a Dread of blessed objects.

2) Affect Spirits deals with Insubstantial, not Diffuse (unless DFRPG changed that).

[sjmdw45]

Originally Posted by Balor Patch

2) Affect Spirits deals with Insubstantial, not Diffuse (unless DFRPG changed that).

It's a Toxifier-specific rule.

"Notes: Hard to injure due to being Diffuse, but weapons enchanted to affect spirits or insubstantial entities bypass this and do damage normally. Unwilling to negotiate. Truly evil."