VG1 Busnought Stats : Wrong Cost and Weight ?

[Racer]

While designing a much updated version , Big Mac noticed that the Busnought Model E (AADA VG1 , Page 41) is 90lbs underweight and comes in at $109,200 rather than $112,700 listed .

I'm not at home and relying on Screenshots from Combat Garage for the Stats , so does anyone know what's gone wrong and what correct stats are ?

Thanks .

[43Supporter]

Just ran it past Combat Garage.

Weight is correct, at 25,190 lbs. Cost is $109,200; not sure where the extra $3,500 is coming from (possibly the_Busnought_ was designed with an earlier ruleset?). What's wildly off is spaces -- it only uses 44 of the available 60.

[swordtart]

The Busnought first appeared in SJG 7103 Truckstop. In that version "Luxurious Passenger Accommodation" was $500, 3 spaces and 200lb per passenger (in the Personnel paragraph of Buses and RV design section). It also made it into the B&W Delux edition (P38). This option never made it into the compendiums.

The original design also specified 9 spaces were available for cargo* which equally didn't make it into the later descriptions.

Include these and it all adds up.

*With only 10lb weight left this would need to be packing peanuts or maybe it is empty space for a dance floor or something - in reality of course the 40ft bus is not very weight efficient as it is designed to have a lot of empty space for passengers to move around. Try to fill that with 2-500lb per space components and you will soon overload it. I normally pare back on the vehicle armour and add 10pts CA for each passenger (or dual seat).

[43Supporter]

Originally Posted by swordtart

The Busnought first appeared in SJG 7103 Truckstop. In that version "Luxurious Passenger Accommodation" was $500, 3 spaces and 200lb per passenger (in the Personnel paragraph of Buses and RV design section). It also made it into the B&W Delux edition (P38). This option never made it into the compendiums.

The original design also specified 9 spaces were available for cargo* which equally didn't make it into the later descriptions.

Include these and it all adds up.

Indeed -- I looked that up this morning; didn't have time yesterday. Thanks for the confirmation.

With those unused spaces, the passengers can have 3 spaces each -- fairly cushy.... .:)

[ckosacranoid]

Heck, giving each passenger two spaces would be cushy much less three spaces each.

[swordtart]

In the old rules (before we had passenger accommodations) 3 spaces was deemed sufficient to allow a relief driver to sleep in. It is therefore likely that the Busnought was designed as as sleeper service.

2 spaces per PSV passenger was argues to allow extra headroom and walkways between seats etc. With the limited number of Passengers on the Busnought this seems like overkill. In my experience in PSVs they seem to be 5 seat width across with 2 seats side by side on either side of a single seat width walkway. To be fair they are more roomy than a car but most of that is in the vertical plane.

The extra 9 spaces could be a handball court :)

[43Supporter]

Further research (involving my 1st-ed. _Truck Stop_ Pocket Box -- yes, I am That Old .:) ) reveals: There was a $500/3 sp. Passenger Option; it's on p. 10 (tho' on mine, the pages are not numbered), under "Personnel".

Certainly puts in perspective my semi-trailer-based "bus" design, with 24 Passengers, a Steward, a Galley, and Toilet.... .:)

[Racer]

Big Mac has said he may have screwed up the Armour calculations when building his Busnought copy & added 5pts of Armour , which he then screenshotted . Think this is where the extra 90lbs came in .

Thanks for all the clarifications guys :-)