In Melee, how do you deal with ties in initiative?

[TKurtBond]

I was playing Melee online. It was the first time playing Melee for all of us. There were three of us. We kept having two people tying. What's the best way to handle this?

[hcobb]

Roll, roll, again.


Your dice are telling you to get a party leader with the Tactics talent when you get ITL.

[tomc]

Roll a 12 sided die and add 2 for ITL's tactics talent.

[hcobb]

Originally Posted by tomc

Roll a 12 sided die and add 2 for ITL's tactics talent.

So you think Tactics is overpowered and needs to be nerfed?

[DeadParrot]

Change to using d100 for your initiative roll. Fairly low chance of a tie. If one or more have tactics, they get a +17 on their d100 roll. If your online system supports it, code it up in a macro.

All initiative does is establish order figures do things for the turn. Nothing special about a d6 for that.

[Bill_in_IN]

When there is a initiative roll tie, keep rolling until their is a winner.

For straight percentage rolls, I always liked rolling 2D10 with two different color dice. One color for 10s and the other for the 1s. It allows a 1% granularity roll from 0-99 or 1-100, however you prefer. But then TFT initiative gets more complicated. This was by design in Tactical War Games like MBT. However, it would just add more unneeded complexity to TFT initiative rolls. For tactics to have the same effect on initiative, you would have to add 16.7 to the 2D10 roll. You start with a compromise of being a little incorrect by choosing 16 or 17.

[hcobb]

1. No adjustment: Each side wins init 50%
2. Tactics wins init vs untalented: (15+6) vs (15-5) = 68% of the time.
3. Strategy wins init vs untalented: (15+6+5) vs (15-5-4) = 81% of the time.

So just roll d100 and find out.

[tomc]

Originally Posted by hcobb

So you think Tactics is overpowered and needs to be nerfed?

1/6 = 2/12 = 16.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 66%

[hcobb]

Oh Math, where is thy sting?

1. d12 v d12 w/o adjustment: 50% success of 66 win, 66 lose, 12 ties
2. d12+2 vs d12: 66% success of (66+12+11=89) win, (66-11-10=45) lose, 10 ties. I.e. 2% lower than 1d6+1 vs 1d6

[Axly Suregrip]

Originally Posted by TKurtBond

I was playing Melee online. It was the first time playing Melee for all of us. There were three of us. We kept having two people tying. What's the best way to handle this?

We sometimes like to get into side issues or unofficial alternatives.

Your question was answered though. Just reroll as long as there is a tie. If doing a 3-way fight (or more), just reroll the ties with respect to each other only, thus keeping the order of those that did not tie.

Welcome aboard!