Divine Favor for lesser gods?

[Boyboy180]

I really can't be the first one to think of this but I couldn't find it anywhere:
What would the pricing of divine favour for limited gods?

IE: A god of fire compared to an omnipotent god.

The problem i'm coming to is that Divine favour is an already modified advantage, and i've already read comments that say the maths it claims isn't quite exact so I can't just slap "Aspected" onto it.

Has someone already worked out the maths?

[Harald387]

The core of the Divine Favor advantage is Patron (Deity) - so even if your deity is limited to a single set of special effects, you've got a divinely-powered being on speed dial who will intervene on your behalf, and if you weren't using the Divine Favor framework there would likely be no difference in pricing between Patron (Vulcan) or Patron (Jupiter), for instance. I wouldn't discount the Divine Favor advantage just because the deity involved solves all his problems with fire.

Reducing the cost of Divine Favor also has a knock-on effect: because Learned Prayers are based on paying for them as Alternate Abilities of the Divine Favor advantage, a cheaper Divine Favor actually changes the maximum allowed point cost of your learned prayers: if you have Divine Favor 11 (Aspected, Fire, -10%) [81] you can't take Smite (Enhanced) as a Learned Prayer because its point cost pre-discount is [83].

[Boyboy180]

True, but in that case I'd likely make my own more fire-like version of smite.
I'd being making more learned prayers in general as each god in the setting i'm working on would have their own set.

Thing is, a fire deity can't solve all the problems that an omnipotent deity would. They can't do much in a vacuum or underwater. Well, they could but it would be more costly than what the omnipotent deity would do. They can't take the "best path" so they are weaker.

[KarlKost]

Originally Posted by Boyboy180

True, but in that case I'd likely make my own more fire-like version of smite.
I'd being making more learned prayers in general as each god in the setting i'm working on would have their own set.

Thing is, a fire deity can't solve all the problems that an omnipotent deity would. They can't do much in a vacuum or underwater. Well, they could but it would be more costly than what the omnipotent deity would do. They can't take the "best path" so they are weaker.

I see no problem in throwing in Aspected into this.and threating Divine Favor as its own Advantage (rather than meta-adv) for this purpose.

And, as for the "higher" prayers, they might be less powerful (thus cheaper) or outright inaccessible; after all, we are speaking of minor gods.

[Taneli]

You could modify the underlying Patron advantage, to vary the power of the gods, here's an example I did, you would have to define the portfolios for Major, Lesser and Minor gods in the example linked below to fit your campaign:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t?usp=drivesdk

[mlangsdorf]

Originally Posted by Boyboy180

True, but in that case I'd likely make my own more fire-like version of smite.

What would your fire-like version of smite be? It's already a burning innate attack that only affects malignant supernatural entities. There's not a lot of space to make it more fire-like without increasing the cost.

[malloyd]

Originally Posted by Boyboy180

Thing is, a fire deity can't solve all the problems that an omnipotent deity would. They can't do much in a vacuum or underwater. Well, they could but it would be more costly than what the omnipotent deity would do. They can't take the "best path" so they are weaker.

I think this is extremely doubtful. Both than an omnipotent god would necessarily take a "better path" and that something that counted as a GOD of fire would have any trouble with water or vacuum. Or for that matter something you could consider fire couldn't do things that would be very helpful in those situations - keeping you warm and sustaining your breathing without air (breathing is after all almost literally a combustion reaction!) seem pretty darn useful and within the remit of even physical fire, never mind metaphorical.

If you are a god of fire and you say that a fire will burn here forever in the midst of this vacuum, and all close enough to feel its warmth will have the imperfections burned from them and become physically perfect, that's probably what happens. Never mind it doesn't match some puny mortal's conception of fire.

[Prince Charon]

There's a blogpost on Above the Flatline called Totem Spirits that has a section for Totem Spirits as Patrons, and gets into using Divine Favor with less powerful entities.