Female Avatars in Bio-Tech 4e vs. Transhuman Space: Bioroid Bazaar

[ericthered]

I know drawing guides advise keeping female faces closer to the human average, while exaggerating the shapes on men, especially chins. So a distinctive/prominent chin might count

Would baldness count?

[awesomenessofme1]

Originally Posted by ericthered

I know drawing guides advise keeping female faces closer to the human average, while exaggerating the shapes on men, especially chins. So a distinctive/prominent chin might count

Would baldness count?

The original description for the perk explicitly states "primary male or secondary female" sexual characteristics.

[TGLS]

Originally Posted by ericthered

Would baldness count?

With all due respect to bald people I don't think they get pluses to Sex Appeal unless the target has a quirk.

[Tyneras]

ESD is primarily about shape, proportion and visual texture for both sexes (in humans, at least). In the real world it overlaps quite a bit with appearance, but if you are looking for male examples look at people like Fabio in their prime, boy bands, shirtless firefighter calendars, etc.

Basically ESD works even if there's nothing at all in your pants. ESD is more about convincing the lizard brain that you are extra special mating material, not necessarily delivering on that.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by Tyneras

ESD is primarily about shape, proportion and visual texture for both sexes (in humans, at least). In the real world it overlaps quite a bit with appearance, but if you are looking for male examples look at people like Fabio in their prime, boy bands, shirtless firefighter calendars, etc.

Basically ESD works even if there's nothing at all in your pants. ESD is more about convincing the lizard brain that you are extra special mating material, not necessarily delivering on that.

There are two problems with that:

The broader one is that attractiveness is not that strongly coupled to sexual dimorphism, and the quirk is very specific about being about sexual dimorphism.

The more specific one is the textual bit about male ESD being displayed in 'primary sexual characteristics'. Look up what that one means - it's exactly what people have been obliquely saying WRT pants.

[Tyneras]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

There are two problems with that:

The broader one is that attractiveness is not that strongly coupled to sexual dimorphism, and the quirk is very specific about being about sexual dimorphism.

The more specific one is the textual bit about male ESD being displayed in 'primary sexual characteristics'. Look up what that one means - it's exactly what people have been obliquely saying WRT pants.

It's one of those descriptions that's rather ridiculous, since it'd mean ESD for males would be completely negated by a waist high fence. That's a feature at best. So either the description for ESD is wrong, or ESD is not available/a feature for humanoid males.

[awesomenessofme1]

Originally Posted by Tyneras

It's one of those descriptions that's rather ridiculous, since it'd mean ESD for males would be completely negated by a waist high fence. That's a feature at best. So either the description for ESD is wrong, or ESD is not available/a feature for humanoid males.

To be honest, I can't think of an example of what form of "exaggerated sexual dimorphism" wouldn't be trivially easy to conceal for human males.

[Tyneras]

Originally Posted by awesomenessofme1

To be honest, I can't think of an example of what form of "exaggerated sexual dimorphism" wouldn't be trivially easy to conceal for human males.

Fair. For human males, at least, the description and the game mechanics don't line up in my eyes. Sex Appeal, the effected skill, works through clothes.

In my imagination, I go with images ranging from the ones given before to Johnny Bravo. You know, cartoonishly masculine types of characters in a mirror image of the cartoonishly famine Jessica Rabbit, both of whom I would give ESD without a second thought.