Spinal Mount rules

[oscar1-1]

Hiy'all, is there anything for spinal mounting for motorcycles/ trikes or are we stuck with having Fixed weapons? Asking for a friend :-) ...

[43Supporter]

Originally Posted by oscar1-1

Hiy'all, is there anything for spinal mounting for motorcycles/ trikes or are we stuck with having Fixed weapons? Asking for a friend :-) ...

No need -- Cycles are immune to 1/3-spaces-limits.

[swordtart]

The article mentions vehicle, not car so you could use them with trikes and bikes (and presumably helos, boats and other exotica). I couldn't find anything in the ADQ&A stating otherwise.

You might have to do some reading across to decide which vehicle equates to each specified car (for example where a weapon has a hazard for firing). I suggest you use the turret table.

Whether it is worth doing is another matter :)

Not sure what your reference to Fixed Weapons meant? We use homebrew rules for fixed weapons on cycles, but I am unaware of any official ones.

[oscar1-1]

Thanks Swordtart, I hadn't noticed that the article wasn't specific as to vehicle (with the size of the weapons I just assumed they were for cars and larger), I'll re-read the article properly with a rule lawyers eye :-)
In my defence I was distracted by the Rocket sidecar and Big Guns

I was after squeezing a slightly smaller Fixed "big gun" onto a retro manual geared bike somehow by shaving a bit weight here, a bit of space there and have an amount of House Rules from the interweb

Tinkering around with found House Rules I could have a Fixed RR for 150wt plus ammo, but still for 2 spaces alas, for example

Always open to more House rules though, bikes have it tough!

[43Supporter]

Originally Posted by oscar1-1

Always open to more House rules though, bikes have it tough!

There's a different auto-combat game out there which had a solution to the "bikes have it tough" problem: Most weapons and accessories had a "cycle version", which was ~1/2 the weight of the "car version", but also carried fewer rounds, or didn't quite have the range, or what-have-one (this prevented the cars using cycle components, and developing even-greater advantage).

[oscar1-1]

Originally Posted by 43Supporter

There's a different auto-combat game out there which had a solution to the "bikes have it tough" problem: Most weapons and accessories had a "cycle version", which was ~1/2 the weight of the "car version", but also carried fewer rounds, or didn't quite have the range, or what-have-one (this prevented the cars using cycle components, and developing even-greater advantage).

Hiya 43Supporter, I've seen somewhere (Houserule) that bikes have $500 ABS, so I'll hit the books for useful toys at some point. I'll aim for half price but I'm sure there'll be extra techno-gubbins involved for some prices.

I usually load my bikes with 10 shots so suggest a Houserule 20 shot mags take (do 10 shots/20 x many deeply considered/bodged thought out calculations, but give me time) less space. It'll be a small fraction for sure, but I'm sure I can take advantage with a Light Cycle's streamlining being 0.4 space or Heavy for 0.7 space (unless I've missed extra ruling for space calculation...)

[43Supporter]

Originally Posted by oscar1-1

Hiya 43Supporter, I've seen somewhere (Houserule) that bikes have $500 ABS, so I'll hit the books for useful toys at some point. I'll aim for half price but I'm sure there'll be extra techno-gubbins involved for some prices.

ABS is $1,000 across the board -- I think you're thinking of HD Brakes, which is $100-per-wheel; so would be 1/2 (or 2/3 with a sidecar) price.

Originally Posted by oscar1-1

I usually load my bikes with 10 shots so suggest a Houserule 20 shot mags take (do 10 shots/20 x many deeply considered/bodged thought out calculations, but give me time) less space. It'll be a small fraction for sure, but I'm sure I can take advantage with a Light Cycle's streamlining being 0.4 space or Heavy for 0.7 space (unless I've missed extra ruling for space calculation...)

"Short-loading" weapons on cycles is a time-honored method of reducing the cost and weight of a weapon -- there's an _ADQ_ adventure with a cycle/sidecar which has two MGs with 10 shots each linked on the sidecar, and *no* weapons on the main bike; given the light armor of the unit, it doesn't need all 20 shots the one MG can carry, so why bother? .:)

[Racer]

Originally Posted by 43Supporter

There's a different auto-combat game out there which had a solution to the "bikes have it tough" problem: Most weapons and accessories had a "cycle version", which was ~1/2 the weight of the "car version", but also carried fewer rounds, or didn't quite have the range, or what-have-one (this prevented the cars using cycle components, and developing even-greater advantage).

And also a Spoiler on a Cycle should probably only weigh as much as 5pts of it's Armour . Spoiler I've seen on a Motorbike is only around two feet wide - compared to five feet or more on most cars .

[swordtart]

Originally Posted by oscar1-1

Thanks Swordtart, I hadn't noticed that the article wasn't specific as to vehicle (with the size of the weapons I just assumed they were for cars and larger), I'll re-read the article properly with a rule lawyers eye :-)
In my defence I was distracted by the Rocket sidecar and Big Guns

I was after squeezing a slightly smaller Fixed "big gun" onto a retro manual geared bike somehow by shaving a bit weight here, a bit of space there and have an amount of House Rules from the interweb

Tinkering around with found House Rules I could have a Fixed RR for 150wt plus ammo, but still for 2 spaces alas, for example

Always open to more House rules though, bikes have it tough!

I have adopted fixed mounts for bikes. As a tripod weapon is half the weight of the vehicular version I argue that 50% of the vehicular weapon is the traverse mechanism. If you are willing to do without that an boresight it you can hard mount the weapon. It is fired as if it is on automatic i.e. locked down the centre of the arc straight ahead or behind, you get no targeting modifiers for gunner or computers, you can't target tires etc. The hard mount costs and weighs the same as a tripod for that weapon.

To save space you can mount outside armour. You can mount the same spaces of external weapons as you could EWPs without taking any internal spaces. External weapons do not benefit from armour.

You chances to hit are lower, but you bikers can concentrate on cyclist skill. Send enough waves in and you are good to go. Classic rat patrol :)

[oscar1-1]

Originally Posted by swordtart

If you are willing to do without that an boresight it you can hard mount the weapon. It is fired as if it is on automatic i.e. locked down the centre of the arc straight ahead or behind, you get no targeting modifiers for gunner or computers, you can't target tires etc. The hard mount costs and weighs the same as a tripod for that weapon.

To save space you can mount outside armour. You can mount the same spaces of external weapons as you could EWPs without taking any internal spaces. External weapons do not benefit from armour.

You chances to hit are lower, but you bikers can concentrate on cyclist skill. Send enough waves in and you are good to go. Classic rat patrol :)

Oops, I'd quite forgotten about the tripod/fixing to the bike!

I've happily blagged your Dreg Gang and external CA mods already :-) , but hadn't really thought about Fixed weapons on EWPs before ...

Less Gunner = More Bikerrrr!!!
(Somehow I'm going to add that to my replies)