One-Handed Staff Parry Questions

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by Varyon

Staff requires two hands; to use it one-handed, you'd need to use Broadsword or Spear.

This agrees with a conversation I had with Kromm long ago. If you were strong enough you could use a two-handed sword in one hand but Skill became Broadsword.

I believe there's text in MA to this effect.

[Plane]

in the case where you have enough ST to wield a 2H weapon one-handed without penalty, I'd let you get bonuses for using 1H w/ 2H if you used a 2nd hand anyway

[Varyon]

Originally Posted by Plane

in the case where you have enough ST to wield a 2H weapon one-handed without penalty, I'd let you get bonuses for using 1H w/ 2H if you used a 2nd hand anyway

Most weapons that have both a 1h and 2h entry are at -1 to damage when used 1h, relative to when used 2h, and I'd be inclined to maintain this when using an exclusively-two-handed weapon with one hand (due to high ST). There are two additional options in Martial Arts that would make using the weapon in two hands preferable. First off, under "A Matter of Inches" (MA110), there's the option for weapons that you have twice the MinST for (necessary to wield one-handed without issues) to get a +2 bonus to make or resist a feint, and to also apply this to offset the iteration penalty for multiple Parries in one turn. A 2h weapon wielded in 1h should be treated (at least for these purposes - I don't think it's appropriate to treat such like this when it comes to determining maximum ST) as having MinST equal to the minimum to wield it 1h without issues, so unless you greatly exceed the weapon's MinST, using it in two hands works better here. The other option, only available for Reach 2+ weapons (but a quarterstaff certainly qualifies), is "Parrying with Two-Handed Weapons" (MA123), which gives slightly improved performance against dual-weapon attacks and also cuts the iteration penalty for multiple Parries in one turn in half. If combining the two options, treat the "halved penalty" as being just like Trained by a Master / Weapon Master - apply the weapon weight-induced reduction first, then halve the result, for -1 per additional Parry.

So, for a Quarterstaff, if you have ST 14, you can:
Wield two-handed with Staff, as normal, and get the +2 to Parry for being a Staff weapon and only suffer a -1 per additional Parry
or
Wield one-handed with an appropriate skill (Staff if the GM allows it, Broadsword or Spear otherwise), be at -1 to damage, Parry at +0, and suffer -4 per additional Parry. Note if using Spear, you probably will lose the option to swing, being restricted to thrust.

[Captain Joy]

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin

This agrees with a conversation I had with Kromm long ago. If you were strong enough you could use a two-handed sword in one hand but Skill became Broadsword.

I believe there's text in MA to this effect.

I could not find this in Martial Arts. Anyone else have any luck?

[Varyon]

Originally Posted by Captain Joy

I could not find this in Martial Arts. Anyone else have any luck?

Your Search-Fu is weak!
(No, but seriously, this took me for freaking ever to find)

MA220, in the "Unorthodox Attacks" box. Looks like it's actually canon that two handed weapons used in one hand are at -1 to damage, so that's neat.

[oneofmanynameless]

There's a stick fighting technique of holding one stick in the off hand in the center of the stick, rather then at one end, in order to have both the full breadth of the stick as parrying surface while also balancing the weapon relative to what fighting with it in a sword grip is like. I've never seen rules for how to handle this but initially imagined it might be something similar to wielding a smaller staff-one handed. Is there a canon on that?

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by oneofmanynameless

There's a stick fighting technique of holding one stick in the off hand in the center of the stick, rather then at one end, in order to have both the full breadth of the stick as parrying surface while also balancing the weapon relative to what fighting with it in a sword grip is like. I've never seen rules for how to handle this but initially imagined it might be something similar to wielding a smaller staff-one handed. Is there a canon on that?

Defensive grip?

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Defensive grip?

I thought Defensive Grip had to be a 2-handed technique?

I'd think that the off-hand mid-grip short stick was more like Main Gauche except short sticks aren't assigned the -1 to Parry that regular Knife gets.

I beleive that the off-hand stick thing is mentioned in the stickfighting section of MA but not trearted as anything special.

[Captain Joy]

Originally Posted by Varyon

Your Search-Fu is weak!
(No, but seriously, this took me for freaking ever to find)

MA220, in the "Unorthodox Attacks" box. Looks like it's actually canon that two handed weapons used in one hand are at -1 to damage, so that's neat.

Your Search-Fu is impressive, Varyon!

Originally Posted by MA220

As explained on p. B270, a strong enough fighter can wield a two-handed melee weapon – one with “†” or “‡” on its ST statistic – in one hand. When doing so, use the weapon’s two-handed statistics but apply a -1 to damage. The skill required to wield it may change:

So, when wielding a Quarterstaff one-handed, I would roll against my Broadsword skill to hit, but I’d still use the Staff skill stats for everything else, including the parry bonus, with the exception that I apply a -1 to damage.

At least, that’s my interpretation of the RAW. It still seems wrong to me that a quarterstaff wielded as a broadsword should get a +2 parry bonus.