should a "Ricochet" attack using boomerang be possible in realistic games? how hard?

[sir_pudding]

Or you know, he's a TBAM Ninja using Throwing Art.

[Aldric]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Or you know, he's a TBAM Ninja using Throwing Art.

Still doesn't stop us from attempting to decide what kind of penalties you'd face if you tried this in a game.
I for one think it shouldn't be easier than throwing 2 objects to disarm two guns, and that missing the first attempt would ruin the second.

As for actual penalties... you're going for a double attack, so I'd start with a -6 for rapid strike, hitting a pistol is at a further -5, disarming it an extra -2 and then there are the range penalties.
But this is with 2 objects, a single one ? No idea.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Aldric

Still doesn't stop us from attempting to decide what kind of penalties you'd face if you tried this in a game.

Sure, but if you're evaluating it as a cinematic ability you base the penalties on how useful the trick is, not on how hard it is. Offhand, I'd call saving ammunition (which is the only real advantage over just throwing two whatevers) -1 or -2 in a cinematic game. And sure, feel free to reduce the ammo cost to zero by bouncing it back to yourself.

[WingedKagouti]

Originally Posted by Aldric

Still doesn't stop us from attempting to decide what kind of penalties you'd face if you tried this in a game.

If you're doing a realistic game, you should simply not allow it.

In a cinematic game, call it a Deceptive Throw (using the same -2/-1 as melee Deceptive Attacks) or Ranged Feint (MA121).

[malloyd]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Or you know, he's a TBAM Ninja using Throwing Art.

If you are just trying to model Batman and not Xena or the Lone Ranger, then I'm not sure skills are even the way to go. Batman has a lot of tech gizmos after all, maybe the batarang has imaging radar, an adaptive surface to alter its aerodynamics and an onboard AI that picks targets and calculates the necessary shape to assume to steer toward them. Sure maybe the AI occasionally picks a different target than the one Batman intended, but hey, stuff doesn't always go as planned in any fight, and as long as it's IFF is good enough it's hitting his enemies it's still useful.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by malloyd

If you are just trying to model Batman and not Xena or the Lone Ranger, then I'm not sure skills are even the way to go.

Personally I'd do Batman with exactly three skills: Ninjitsu!, Detective! and Playboy!, but YMMV.

[naloth]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Personally I'd do Batman with exactly three skills: Ninjitsu!, Detective! and Playboy!, but YMMV.

I did Businessman!-14 (WC-2) [6]; Detective!-16 (WC) [24]; Martial Artist!-18 (WC+2) [48]; Scientist-14! (WC-2) [6]; Tactics-20 (IQ+4) [20]

for a budget build, but I like the idea of adding Playboy! as well.

[Plane]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Or you know, he's a TBAM Ninja using Throwing Art.

Yes but I don't know how to use Throwing art rules to reflect bouncing a thrown weapon off 1st target to hit 2nd.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Plane

Yes but I don't know how to use Throwing art rules to reflect bouncing a thrown weapon off 1st target to hit 2nd.

Stack the penalties from Ranged Rapid Strike and Disarn and add an extra -2 for conserving ammo. Or just have the infinite ammo perk. Or spend an impulse point (like from Ninjitsu!)