Steve Jackson Games - Site Navigation
Home General Info Follow Us Search Illuminator Store Forums What's New Other Games Ogre GURPS Munchkin Our Games: Home

Go Back   Steve Jackson Games Forums > Roleplaying > GURPS

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-10-2020, 07:45 PM   #1
Icelander
 
Icelander's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Iceland*
Default Schwarzenegger 2020: Equal Opportunity to Govern

Assume an alternate history with only the most miniscule changes; i.e. Arnold Schwarzenegger manages to get the Equal Opportunity to Govern Amendment (or a later equivalent) passed and/or wins a legal challenge on the grounds that Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution (i.e. the 'Natural-born-citizen clause') is exclusionary, discriminatory and unconstitutional, in time to campaign for the current elections.

I'm not saying that this is in any way plausible, but I'm looking for the most realistic course of action that might ensue if some mysterious force* was enabling Schwarzenegger to win legal cases everyone expected him to lose and/or successfully lobby politicians of both parties at a much higher rate than would be reasonable.

First of all, which would seem less implausible?

Functional change in law through judicial activism, probably going all the way to the Supreme Court?

Or legal change through Constitutional Amendment?

If someone could give me some guidelines on plausible timelines, here, for whichever option they favor, that would be great.

This is a mere background detail in a game set in 2018--2019, where Schwarzenegger has been much more politically active since leaving the Governor's office and the PCs are aware of some very serious efforts to change the law. If possible, I want to be able to feature in-setting news, analysis and arguments about the ongoing process, just as background colour.

So, where and how would the first law suit be filed? How would Schwarzenegger have standing, considering that he'd have to file in the lowest court many years before the election, too soon to declare as a candidate in that election. In real life, he started in 2003 and there was a short second wind of effort in 2013, which petered out almost immediately in real reality. I'm thinking that this second wind might have been the visible changepoint.

Any comments and suggestions welcome.

*Extremelly well-concealed Alien Space Bats with oddly modest goals and a preference for enacting their nefarious schemes through the path of absolute least resistance. They will change as little as possible.
__________________
Za uspiekh nashevo beznadiozhnovo diela!

Last edited by Icelander; 03-10-2020 at 08:00 PM.
Icelander is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2020, 08:15 PM   #2
Turhan's Bey Company
Aluminated
 
Turhan's Bey Company's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: East of the moon, west of the stars, close to buses and shopping
Default Re: Schwarzenegger 2020: Equal Opportunity to Govern

Since this touches on politics, I'm mostly going to stay out of this, except to say that an amendment to the Constitution, a process which has historically taken anywhere from 100 days to just shy of 203 years, is the only remotely plausible way for this to happen. Oh, and if you want GURPS stats for alien space bats...
__________________
I've been making pointlessly shiny things, and I've got some gaming-related stuff as well as 3d printing designs.

Buy my Warehouse 23 stuff, dammit!
Turhan's Bey Company is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2020, 08:59 PM   #3
Varyon
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Default Re: Schwarzenegger 2020: Equal Opportunity to Govern

Getting a portion of the constitution rendered unconstitutional strikes me as a complete non-starter, so it would need to be a constitutional amendment. By 2015, Arnie may have sufficient supernatural pull to be able to get the renewed attention at that time to go through and cause an amendment. It needs to have occurred too late for him to run in 2016, however, so it would need to be passed during the Trump administration. Spun correctly, it might be possible to convince Republicans that support for it will reduce some of the perception of them being anti-immigrant, yet without seeming to compromise on their position against illegal immigration. The Democratic Party strikes me as one that would generally be in favor of such an amendment, although there would be the risk of a Schwarzenegger campaign if they managed to oust Trump. There's also the issue that the Congress of the time is extremely partisan, and them working together on anything is rather unlikely. Still, enough supernatural and mundane greasing may be sufficient to get it through, priming Arnie for a 2020 run. I presume he wouldn't try to jump ship and join the Democrats, so there will be the oddity of someone going for a nomination in lieu of the sitting President, which will certainly be an uphill battle, but may be doable for the supernaturally-enhanced Governator. Failing that, he might be able to try for a third-party nomination of some flavor.
__________________
GURPS Overhaul
Varyon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2020, 09:05 PM   #4
Not
 
Not's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Default Re: Schwarzenegger 2020: Equal Opportunity to Govern

He becomes a wildly successful Republican governor of California, teams up with governors Jesse Ventura of Minnesota and Carl Weathers of Louisiana to usher in a second "Era of Good Feelings," and is personally popular enough to lead a 38 state campaign to amend the Constitution while simultaneously running for president. He is so charming even his opponent votes for him (in an non-swing state).
__________________
Leave this space blank.
Not is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2020, 10:01 PM   #5
RyanW
 
RyanW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Southeast NC
Default Re: Schwarzenegger 2020: Equal Opportunity to Govern

Quote:
Originally Posted by Varyon View Post
Getting a portion of the constitution rendered unconstitutional strikes me as a complete non-starter, so it would need to be a constitutional amendment.
The only conceivable way is an interpretation of some amendment to have already repealed the requirement. The most reasonable way is via a reading of the 14th amendment as eliminating any idea of different tiers of citizenship. "Natural born citizen" can't be a privileged class given rights beyond those of other citizens (by the same logic, age and residence requirements are probably in jeopardy).

That would almost certainly require the intervention of alien space bats and probably a few voodoo sharks, but it's about the only legal sounding argument I can think of.
__________________
RyanW
- Actually one normal sized guy in three tiny trenchcoats.
RyanW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2020, 10:19 PM   #6
TGLS
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Default Re: Schwarzenegger 2020: Equal Opportunity to Govern

A semi-plausible series of events:

2008: Trolls attack McCain and Obama over the Natural-Born Citizen Clause. This makes some noise in the media. (Comment: McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and Obama needs no further comment)

2015: Continued nonsense of similar magnitude targets Ted Cruz (born in Calgary, Alberta), Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal (just nonsense on those two). A bipartisan movement promoting the reform of the Natural-Born Citizen Clause emerges.

After failing to resolve the issue through the courts (see the efforts of Abdul Karim Hassan), a constitutional scholar suggests resolving the issue by applying the Enforcement Clause of the 14th Amendment (Laurence Tribe noted this in Sept 2016). The movement passes a radical version of this law that effectively eliminates the Natural-Born Citizen Clause.

Late 2010s: The law is upheld by the courts.

2019: Arnold Schwarzenegger Announces his Candidacy.
TGLS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2020, 10:47 PM   #7
malloyd
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Default Re: Schwarzenegger 2020: Equal Opportunity to Govern

Quote:
Originally Posted by Icelander View Post
Functional change in law through judicial activism, probably going all the way to the Supreme Court?
This one is outright *impossible* - sure courts can "interpret" things in a rather strange ways on occasion, but this one is pretty clear cut. And in the wake of Bush v. Gore I can't imagine the Supreme Court would even want to get involved in something like this, even if it *weren't* such a blatant violation of the Constitution.

Quote:
Or legal change through Constitutional Amendment?
That one is at least possible without triggering a civil war. Go with that. Timelines on Constitutional amendments are highly varied. In principle you could get one through in a few days should you happen to get it out of Congress and to the state legislatures at a time they are all in session. Which is never actually, though if you can get it out in February of an odd numbered year enough of them should either still be in session or open before the end of April that you could get it passed in the minimum number of states before summer, and if you have Alien Space Bats supporting you, well, many states have mechanisms for calling special sessions on only a few weeks notice. It's also possible (though it's never been done) to do it in the other order - pass it through the necessary number of state legislatures first and then take it to Congress, which may give you slightly more flexibility about timing.

Historically most amendments have taken a year or two, though the last one took 2 centuries.
__________________
--
MA Lloyd
malloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2020, 12:00 AM   #8
AlexanderHowl
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Default Re: Schwarzenegger 2020: Equal Opportunity to Govern

It would honestly be more realistic to have had Austria join the USA after WW II and have Arnold having been born an American citizen (possibly the result of a successful assassination attempt of Hitler in '39 by Elser or an earlier entry into the European theater by the USA).
AlexanderHowl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2020, 12:37 AM   #9
Balor Patch
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Default Re: Schwarzenegger 2020: Equal Opportunity to Govern

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexanderHowl View Post
It would honestly be more realistic to have had Austria join the USA after WW II and have Arnold having been born an American citizen (possibly the result of a successful assassination attempt of Hitler in '39 by Elser or an earlier entry into the European theater by the USA).
Or change Arnold's history so his parents were on a trip in the USA when he was born.
Balor Patch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2020, 02:01 AM   #10
Anthony
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Berkeley, CA
Default Re: Schwarzenegger 2020: Equal Opportunity to Govern

Or the ASBs just convince people that he's actually natural born. The quantity of wide area mind control required is probably less than getting the amendment passed.
__________________
My GURPS site and Blog.
Anthony is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
alternate history, law, monstrum, politics

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Fnords are Off
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:38 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.