[MA] Grab and Smash / Kiss the Wall: Face + Wall Combo?

Plane · 08-16-2019, 01:14 PM

MA118 "Grab and Smash" describes 2 different types, the AOA strong bonus is only described for "All-Out Grapple and Strike" (AOGAS) it isn't mentioned for Kiss the Wall (KTW).

It says "can be a strike with anything except the arm(s) used to grapple."

Kiss the Wall involves using the arms you're grappling with to make an attack (throwing them into an object) so I don't know if it would fall under those guidelines.

It's comparable to thinking you'd get the AOA Strong bonus if you did AOA:Double to do Grab+Judo Throw.

I think the idea is you're using the grab to help some other attack, but if the grab itself is the mechanism of attack, you're not exactly using limbs to reinforce each other.

TG24's "several situations where a grapple is initiated and then followed immediately by a strike" I think doest not include the "Kiss the Wall" attack for the above reasoning.

Something like pulling a head into a knee: the knee attack has a basic damage and you are simply adding to that... but with Kiss the Wall, there is no basic damage: the wall isn't already moving toward them, the entire reason there is damage is because you're using grappling to do it, the damage is already coming from the arms doing the grappling.

08-16-2019, 01:14 PM	#7
Plane Join Date: Aug 2018	Re: [MA] Grab and Smash / Kiss the Wall: Face + Wall Combo? MA118 "Grab and Smash" describes 2 different types, the AOA strong bonus is only described for "All-Out Grapple and Strike" (AOGAS) it isn't mentioned for Kiss the Wall (KTW). It says "can be a strike with anything except the arm(s) used to grapple." Kiss the Wall involves using the arms you're grappling with to make an attack (throwing them into an object) so I don't know if it would fall under those guidelines. It's comparable to thinking you'd get the AOA Strong bonus if you did AOA:Double to do Grab+Judo Throw. I think the idea is you're using the grab to help some other attack, but if the grab itself is the mechanism of attack, you're not exactly using limbs to reinforce each other. TG24's "several situations where a grapple is initiated and then followed immediately by a strike" I think doest not include the "Kiss the Wall" attack for the above reasoning. Something like pulling a head into a knee: the knee attack has a basic damage and you are simply adding to that... but with Kiss the Wall, there is no basic damage: the wall isn't already moving toward them, the entire reason there is damage is because you're using grappling to do it, the damage is already coming from the arms doing the grappling.