[MA] Grab and Smash / Kiss the Wall: Face + Wall Combo?

[Plane]

Originally Posted by Ultraviolet

The way I remember and interpret the "Kiss the Wall" variant of "Grab and Smash" is this:

*Make an AoA: Double
*Grapple the foe, with two hands, hit location 0 for torso or -3 for head (half face penalty). IIRC it allows using Brawling or any grappling skill
*Smack the foe's face into a wall.
**If you have him by the head, there is no hit location penalty to smack it into the wall.
**If you have him by the torso, use the grappling hit location penalty for the head (-3), because you shove his body but want the face to impact.

So, if you take the penalty on the initial grapple, the smash part gets easier. If you take the easy initial grab, the smash gets harder.

MA118 the basic version of "Kiss the Wall" does not require AOA:Double. It's a single attack made with someone who you are grappling, whether you made that grapple 1 second ago or 10 minutes ago.

You're probably remembering how the "Twofers" version of Kiss the Wall called "All-Out Grapple and Strike".

I consider that an under-powered idea. You can already bash a guy's skull into a skull using KTW for thrust, so why should it be less (thrust minus 1) when you're actually accelerating both bodies toward each other?

AOGAS shouldn't even be a separate rule, just using KTW mechanics is enough, and it should actually be better, like assume wall-kissing damage is always to both things, so a double-thrust should add the damage together for bypassing DR.