What is the max range for a ST 4 toss?

[warhorse11h]

for what it is worth, we were taught that a grenade could be accurately thrown thirty yards or meters as a rule of thumb and we practiced that under a variety of conditions, throwing it through a 4'x6' window at 25 to 30 yards or a a group of silhouette targets enclosed in a 5 meter circle. The goal for that was to lob the grenade into the circle so that it would be more likely to stay in the circle. If it rolled out, you were a "no go" and had to try again.
Old expression, "close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades."

Most grenades are around a pound in weight or a little less. We were taught that the killing or burst radius of a hand grenade was 5 meters and it could produce casualties within 15 meters. Fragments could go further, but in this case, distance creates safety.

[warhorse11h]

I found an army times article showing the new army physical fitness test ,which includes an event called the power throw. Tossing a 10 lb medicine ball over your head for distance. The scale for that event grants 100 points for tossing the medicine ball 13.5 meters. It isn't the same as a petard, but the weight is close to the 12 pounds mentioned earlier in posts.

[hcobb]

New formula that matches most of the data points:

Subtract weight in pounds from ST.

Multiply this difference by (2 + 1 (if Thrown Weapons) +1(if half move up to the release point) + 2 (if a very aerodynamic item like a Javelin))

Result is the maximum range in hexes, half that range for full damage.

So world record in tossing a one pound (non-combat) Javelin is about 100 yards. ST 17 - one pound = 16 * (2 +1 +1 +2) = 96 hexes.

Unskilled ST 30 Giant tossing a 12 pound petard from a standing start throws it (30 - 12) * (2) = 32 hexes, just safe.

ST 4 Halfling tossing a 2 pound Molotov or grenade from a standing start is (4 - 2) * (2 + 1) = 6 hexes. With a run up to the release point he gets (4 - 2) * (2 +1 +1) = 8 hexes.

[Helborn]

Originally Posted by Skarg

Just wanting to quibble about a thing or two about:

1. A yard is not a MH. A yard is 3/4 of 1 4-foot hex.

2. MH range is not simply 3 hexes across. It depends on the specific hex and direction versus the hex grain, but e.g. from one rear starting hex of the Wizard map to the other is 17 hexes, or 7 MH. If you go along a MH spine it is 3 hexes, but if you go on a hex spine it's 2 1/3 hexes. Along a hex spine, 2.8 hexes, etc. Actual crow's ruler distance also varies.

3. 15 yards isn't very far to lob a grenade as a maximum range, it seems to me. I think that figure probably means for a fairly accurate throw.

4. A molotail, though, may not be very much like a grenade for throwing. Modern grenades are compact and don't have lit fuses.

1. My bad. Was not thinking. The realistic throw is 1x ST x hexes. But not very playable. Make it 2x ST x hexes. So ST 4 = 8 hexes throwing distance. If a bow effective range is 20 x ST, 1/10 of bow range for an aimed throw works for me. A ST 10 Horse Bow range is 200 hexes. A ST 10 individual can throw 20 yds and hit a specific target.

2. The generalization of 1 MH = 3 hx works for most situations. See also pg 125.

3. Yes. It is an aimed throw.

4. A 1 qt bottle with a string hanging out through the neck is relatively aerodynamic. In that sense similar to a grenade.


Started before I saw hcobb post. Same result simpler math

[RobW]

Originally Posted by Helborn

1. My bad. Was not thinking. The realistic throw is 1x ST x hexes. But not very playable. Make it 2x ST x hexes. So ST 4 = 8 hexes throwing distance. If a bow effective range is 20 x ST, 1/10 of bow range for an aimed throw works for me. A ST 10 Horse Bow range is 200 hexes. A ST 10 individual can throw 20 yds and hit a specific target.

Seems pretty good to me. Pitcher's mound to plate is famously 60 ft 6", close enough to 20 yards, and you see first pitch celebrities flub this terrifically. And throwing across the diamond (eg SS to 1B) is not as easy as it looks on TV.

But this does raise the question, when you get out to 20 yards or more, it is very easy to avoid being hit by a thrown object. Hitting someone at extreme range with a thrown weapon IRL might only be possible if they can't see it coming.

[Helborn]

Originally Posted by RobW

Seems pretty good to me. Pitcher's mound to plate is famously 60 ft 6", close enough to 20 yards, and you see first pitch celebrities flub this terrifically. And throwing across the diamond (eg SS to 1B) is not as easy as it looks on TV.

But this does raise the question, when you get out to 20 yards or more, it is very easy to avoid being hit by a thrown object. Hitting someone at extreme range with a thrown weapon IRL might only be possible if they can't see it coming.

Keep in mind the -1DX per hex that is assigned for a thrown weapon. The only exception is the boomerang. At 60' (15 hexes) you're at -15 DX with all other Thrown Weapons.