Defending with Unarmed Combat talents

[larsdangly]

Wow, that shot way off topic fast!

Back to the OP: the rule means they roll on 5D instead of the usual 4D.

[TippetsTX]

So did we come to a concensus that the martial artist with UC I, II, or III should be able to use the 'defend' option using their bare hands?

[hcobb]

I'd put barehanded defend against weapons at UC II.

At UC I they're just learning to defend against barehanded attacks.

[RobW]

I like the approach Mike P suggests. The old ITL was clear, you could defend bare-handed at UCIII.

Also the old ITL was clear, defend UCIV means 5 dice to hit.

[TippetsTX]

Originally Posted by RobW

I like the approach Mike P suggests. The old ITL was clear, you could defend bare-handed at UCIII.

Also the old ITL was clear, defend UCIV means 5 dice to hit.

I don't know... the fact that UC I allows the character to strike bare-handed in "either HTH or regular combat" (in the new ITL) seems to imply that his hands are now treated as melee weapons and if that's true, then he should be able to use them to defend.

[hcobb]

Untalented melee strikes against adjacent hexes with bare hands are covered on page 122.

IQ 10 Unarmed Combat I(1) with the armor restrictions and +1 or +2 extra damage

is better than

IQ 7 Brawling(1) with no armor restrictions and +1 or +2 extra damage (and extra abilities)

because of X.

Solve for X please.

[RobW]

Here's the old and new ITL rules for number of dice on rolls against defending UC types. I've also included all the proposals so far. I like V1 myself, but others like V2 and V3.

talent  new ITL  old ITL  V1  V2  V3
UCI        -        -      -   -   4
UCII       -        -      -   4   4
UCIII      -        4      4   4   4
UCIV       5        5      5   5   5
UCV        6        7      6   6   6

- means barehand defense not allowed

[RobW]

Originally Posted by hcobb

Solve for X please.

Because +2 brawling damage is "dirty" and foes will fight back!!???

Was the consensus that brawling does not stack with UC?

[TippetsTX]

Originally Posted by hcobb

Solve for X please.

Although RAW doesn't say this, I would be fine ruling that Brawling does NOT apply to regular melee combat; bonus is for HTH only.