A dagger can defend, but a shield cannot

[Skarg]

Originally Posted by platimus

I agree with the...philosophy...here. But I'm trying to make the Shield skill more meaningful. If Defend required the defender to make some sort of DX check, I would allow it without the Shield skill...because you'd be making that DX check with a -3 DX check (because you don't have the skill).

What are you planning to do about the ability to Defend with any weapon? Dagger, short bow...?

[platimus]

Originally Posted by Skarg

What are you planning to do about the ability to Defend with any weapon? Dagger, short bow...?

Must have skill...but maybe there SHOULD be a defend test for each attack whether one is using a shield or weapon. I'll have to give that some thought...

[Skarg]

Originally Posted by platimus

Must have skill...but maybe there SHOULD be a defend test for each attack whether one is using a shield or weapon. I'll have to give that some thought...

So Bow skill trains you to Defend with a bow, without which it can't be done?

[platimus]

Originally Posted by Skarg

So Bow skill trains you to Defend with a bow, without which it can't be done?

Sure. Just kidding. LOL
I feel like having your bow smashed to pieces is a high enough price to be able to defend with a bow.

Regarding earlier post, I'm seeing that a lot of the weapon skills mention a bonus to defend already, so I would not require skill to Defend with weapons or shield. I guess the DX penalty of unskilled Shield use is enough to make Shield I valuable and worthwile.

[ecz]

Originally Posted by Skarg

So Bow skill trains you to Defend with a bow, without which it can't be done?

if you can defend without any specific skill with a torch or a club or a dagger, why this can't be done with a crossbow or a bow (ruining it)?

[platimus]

Originally Posted by ecz

if you can defend without any specific skill with a torch or a club or a dagger, why this can't be done with a crossbow or a bow (ruining it)?

I think Skarg agrees with you. His comment that you quoted was in reference to my earlier position of requiring skill with weapons and shields to defend with them. I admitted that position was wrong in the post just before yours. I now agree with both of you.

[The Wyzard]

I am pretty sure there's no bow so expensive that I wouldn't try to put it in the way of a sharp piece of metal aimed at my squishy bits.

[Skarg]

Originally Posted by platimus

I think Skarg agrees with you. His comment that you quoted was in reference to my earlier position of requiring skill with weapons and shields to defend with them. I admitted that position was wrong in the post just before yours. I now agree with both of you.

Yeah that was what I was hinting at. :-)

[platimus]

Originally Posted by The Wyzard

I am pretty sure there's no bow so expensive that I wouldn't try to put it in the way of a sharp piece of metal aimed at my squishy bits.

I agree. My point was that the bow is destroyed if you defend with it. You will be without a bow until you find another one or get back to "town" and buy a new one.