Effects of summoning on summoned warriors

~~Jim Kane~~ · 06-24-2018, 09:33 PM

In re-examining the rules for: Summon Wolf, Summon Myrmidon, Summon Bear, Summon Gargoyle, and Summon Giant; in each case, the rules simply state: "Brings a _____."

Brings from where, the rules do not say.

However, on Page 6 of TFT:AW, under Creation Spells, we read the following:

"These are spells used to bring something into being - either to bring help from elsewhere (Summoning Spells) *OR* to create fire, shadows, walls, or to create an image of illusion of any of these things."

The first sentence would seem to inform that the thing is brought into being (aka: Manifested) from non-existence and "into being"; from whence it was originally not.

However, next we have the employment of the conjunction: OR, which acts as a "Logical Disjunction", and would logically indicate that these summoned things are separate from magical creation spells which manifest their effect from out of thin air - which would seem to indicate that the thing summoned is real, already existing on the temporal plane, and instantly called forth to the location of the wizard.

So, it is *very* hard to say just what the designer intended; or, if he was being purposefully abstruse, as a tactic to avoid possible issues with those who might take offense at a fantasy game which simulates animal combat, etc, etc.

One thing to consider: *If* these summoned things are not real things - preexisting, and called to the location of the wizard - how would they be any different than an Illusion which could not be disbelieved?

And, as they cannot be disbelieved, does that mean they therefore must then be *real*?

I don't believe so.

If I was pressed for an answer to explain this quandary, I would most likely base my answer on the ancient Hermeticism, which says: "As Above, So Below."

To mean that: Summoned Creatures are the Temporal manifestation of their Astrally existing counterpart; and brought to the wizard from the Astral Realm, to do his bidding. Therefore, a Summoned Creature would only be *real* for the time it exists in play; not before, nor afterwards.

If that is correct, then classifying these Summoned Creatures as a: Creation Spell; would also be correct.

However, the best bet, would be to simply *ask* the designer.

JK

06-24-2018, 09:33 PM	#18
~~Jim Kane~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2018	Re: Effects of summoning on summoned warriors In re-examining the rules for: Summon Wolf, Summon Myrmidon, Summon Bear, Summon Gargoyle, and Summon Giant; in each case, the rules simply state: "Brings a _____." Brings from where, the rules do not say. However, on Page 6 of TFT:AW, under Creation Spells, we read the following: "These are spells used to bring something into being - either to bring help from elsewhere (Summoning Spells) OR to create fire, shadows, walls, or to create an image of illusion of any of these things." The first sentence would seem to inform that the thing is brought into being (aka: Manifested) from non-existence and "into being"; from whence it was originally not. However, next we have the employment of the conjunction: OR, which acts as a "Logical Disjunction", and would logically indicate that these summoned things are separate from magical creation spells which manifest their effect from out of thin air - which would seem to indicate that the thing summoned is real, already existing on the temporal plane, and instantly called forth to the location of the wizard. So, it is very hard to say just what the designer intended; or, if he was being purposefully abstruse, as a tactic to avoid possible issues with those who might take offense at a fantasy game which simulates animal combat, etc, etc. One thing to consider: If these summoned things are not real things - preexisting, and called to the location of the wizard - how would they be any different than an Illusion which could not be disbelieved? And, as they cannot be disbelieved, does that mean they therefore must then be real? I don't believe so. If I was pressed for an answer to explain this quandary, I would most likely base my answer on the ancient Hermeticism, which says: "As Above, So Below." To mean that: Summoned Creatures are the Temporal manifestation of their Astrally existing counterpart; and brought to the wizard from the Astral Realm, to do his bidding. Therefore, a Summoned Creature would only be real for the time it exists in play; not before, nor afterwards. If that is correct, then classifying these Summoned Creatures as a: Creation Spell; would also be correct. However, the best bet, would be to simply ask the designer. JK