Odd Question.... { Crossbows having ST-based damage }

[Nereidalbel]

Originally Posted by Anaraxes

Using a bow of higher ST than your own results in penalties; see B270 (the right-hand column under "Crossbows and ST", which also talks about self bows, forbidding stronger bows than your own ST).

Although that section just mentions reloading time penalties, I've also taken it to mean crossbows have a -1 per point of ST that you lack, as in the opening paragraph of the ST column for equipment. (Was it just 3e that had the bit about "a large crossbow is heavy and kicks" when describing the penalty for an over-ST crossbow?)

Unless a crossbow is so far over your actual ST that you can't lift the bloody thing, there's no penalty for picking one up that somebody much stronger than you already pulled back. Trying to reload without mechanical assistance will take forever, though, if you can even do it at all.

[kirbwarrior]

Originally Posted by Nereidalbel

Unless a crossbow is so far over your actual ST that you can't lift the bloody thing, there's no penalty for picking one up that somebody much stronger than you already pulled back. Trying to reload without mechanical assistance will take forever, though, if you can even do it at all.

That's one of the advantages of crossbows; It's ST-based but not your ST. I played a character once who carried a preloaded crossbow by an ally with inhuman ST (22?) to basically have a one shot sniper rifle.

[hal]

The reason crossbows are ST related, is because of the limitation imposed by reloading the crossbow. Mechanisms exist allowing a character to reload crossbows of a ST waiting higher than their actual ST would normally allow, but at a penalty to reload time.

[tcabril]

Got it - sorry - its been awhile....

[tshiggins]

I checked into this topic, when Anten wanted a.crossbow for his character. Even with modern materials, the top-end pull available on a reasonably portable crossbow puts a bolt down-range at 330 fps. I gave that a GURPS ST of about 22.

The one used by A.J., in my campaign, is a hinged model that includes a geared lever as long as the whole crossbow. It's based on a real world crossbow made in Belgium, and their top-end model does about 305-310 fps., so we figured that was about ST 21.

[hal]

Originally Posted by tshiggins

I checked into this topic, when Anten wanted a.crossbow for his character. Even with modern materials, the top-end pull available on a reasonably portable crossbow puts a bolt down-range at 330 fps. I gave that a GURPS ST of about 22.

The one used by A.J., in my campaign, is a hinged model that includes a geared lever as long as the whole crossbow. It's based on a real world crossbow made in Belgium, and their top-end model does about 305-310 fps., so we figured that was about ST 21.

Have you picked up Pyramid 3_33 with the attending copy of Excel calculator for the Deadly Spring article? It contains information on cross bows, using up to TL 8 materials. It will also give an actual FPS statistic if that helps.

[tshiggins]

Originally Posted by hal

Have you picked up Pyramid 3_33 with the attending copy of Excel calculator for the Deadly Spring article? It contains information on cross bows, using up to TL 8 materials. It will also give an actual FPS statistic if that helps.

I did not. We just sorta eyeballed it. It works well enough.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by hal

Have you picked up Pyramid 3_33 with the attending copy of Excel calculator for the Deadly Spring article? It contains information on cross bows, using up to TL 8 materials. It will also give an actual FPS statistic if that helps.

I'm actually not that fond of TDS; it spends a lot of effort doing approximations of math it doesn't need to do in the first place.