Help with an artifact (40k Spear of Twilight)

Bengt · 03-06-2018, 02:01 AM

Note that it was only a Singing Spear that could be thrown in 4th edition. In the 6th to 8th editions it has been strictly melee.

Where does the life drain come from? It has never had any ability like that in 40k. The curse could damage Yriel directly in 4th and makes him easier to damage in the later editions. It has never been all that powerful either, capable of killing mooks but pretty mediocre for killing characters/monsters.

Sam Baughn · 03-06-2018, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bengt

Where does the life drain come from? It has never had any ability like that in 40k.

It did have Fleshbane (wounding on 2+), like other singing spears and witchblades, although I think that is a combination of the weapon itself and a psychic power which is directed through it, like Imperial force weapons, which makes it even harder to write up using enchantments.

Bengt · 03-06-2018, 08:40 AM

I don't think it has ever supposed to be an actual Singing Spear, it just used the rules for them early on, Yriel is not a psyker after all. It was recently "revealed" to be one of the Croneswords (five swords forged by a god from the fingers of another god).

Also, it's bonded to Yriel so I don't think you can steal it.

I guess it will have pretty different stats if you want to emulate the 40k rules, where it's not that powerful by named weapon standards, or the fluff where it's a massively powerful god weapon.

Kesendeja · 03-06-2018, 10:02 AM

Truthfully, I was going more with fluff, where it's a massively powerful artifact, made by the gods to defeat chaos.

After the big reveal it no longer sucked the life from Yriel. And reverted back to the spear form, since it was his preference.

I'd kind of like to work in a bonding cost/contest of wills. At least for the initial use. (Since, at least in my game, Yriel has passed on the spear to his successor)

Also would you just say that it's ability to take another form is just fluff? or would you need to retool the blade for each user points wise?

Jareth Valar · 03-06-2018, 10:22 AM

True, in current game stats it is a melee only singing spear with AP (unlike a singing spear).

Fluff, Yriel only grabbed it because it was the only thing that could pierce the armor of a powerful Tyranid attacking Iyanen. It slowly siphoned off his life force every time he use it (hence the life drain).

Recently in the fluff book "The Gathering Storm: Fracture of Biel Tan" Yriel died an was brought back by having the spear plunge into his chest, the spear giving back all of the life force stole over the centuries (hence extra life). At that time it reverted to its original sword form. After being handed back to Yriel it took the spear form again.

a humble lich · 03-06-2018, 08:17 PM

The thing with 40k is that it is rarely consistent with itself. Between all the different editions of the table top game (often with differences between the game stats and the fluff), the novels, and the various RPGs (i.e. Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, etc.) there are so many different versions. The version which I wrote up was based on the description of the OP, the descriptions in the Lexicanum and wikia, and the Diresword in Dark Heresy (as that is the closest they have to a Singing Spear that I know of).

03-06-2018, 02:01 AM	#1
Bengt Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ronneby, Sweden	Re: Help with an artifact (40k Spear of Twilight) Note that it was only a Singing Spear that could be thrown in 4th edition. In the 6th to 8th editions it has been strictly melee. Where does the life drain come from? It has never had any ability like that in 40k. The curse could damage Yriel directly in 4th and makes him easier to damage in the later editions. It has never been all that powerful either, capable of killing mooks but pretty mediocre for killing characters/monsters.

03-06-2018, 08:40 AM	#3
Bengt Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ronneby, Sweden	Re: Help with an artifact (40k Spear of Twilight) I don't think it has ever supposed to be an actual Singing Spear, it just used the rules for them early on, Yriel is not a psyker after all. It was recently "revealed" to be one of the Croneswords (five swords forged by a god from the fingers of another god). Also, it's bonded to Yriel so I don't think you can steal it. I guess it will have pretty different stats if you want to emulate the 40k rules, where it's not that powerful by named weapon standards, or the fluff where it's a massively powerful god weapon.

03-06-2018, 10:02 AM	#4
Kesendeja Join Date: Jul 2013	Re: Help with an artifact (40k Spear of Twilight) Truthfully, I was going more with fluff, where it's a massively powerful artifact, made by the gods to defeat chaos. After the big reveal it no longer sucked the life from Yriel. And reverted back to the spear form, since it was his preference. I'd kind of like to work in a bonding cost/contest of wills. At least for the initial use. (Since, at least in my game, Yriel has passed on the spear to his successor) Also would you just say that it's ability to take another form is just fluff? or would you need to retool the blade for each user points wise?

03-06-2018, 10:22 AM	#5
Jareth Valar Join Date: Aug 2013	Re: Help with an artifact (40k Spear of Twilight) True, in current game stats it is a melee only singing spear with AP (unlike a singing spear). Fluff, Yriel only grabbed it because it was the only thing that could pierce the armor of a powerful Tyranid attacking Iyanen. It slowly siphoned off his life force every time he use it (hence the life drain). Recently in the fluff book "The Gathering Storm: Fracture of Biel Tan" Yriel died an was brought back by having the spear plunge into his chest, the spear giving back all of the life force stole over the centuries (hence extra life). At that time it reverted to its original sword form. After being handed back to Yriel it took the spear form again.

03-06-2018, 08:17 PM	#6
a humble lich Join Date: Jun 2017	Re: Help with an artifact (40k Spear of Twilight) The thing with 40k is that it is rarely consistent with itself. Between all the different editions of the table top game (often with differences between the game stats and the fluff), the novels, and the various RPGs (i.e. Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, etc.) there are so many different versions. The version which I wrote up was based on the description of the OP, the descriptions in the Lexicanum and wikia, and the Diresword in Dark Heresy (as that is the closest they have to a Singing Spear that I know of).