Self-Control Rolls for Odious Personal Habits?

[evileeyore]

Alternately you could always just apply Self-Control Ratings to the disad. I don't see how it would break anything.

[DataPacRat]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

Alternately you could always just apply Self-Control Ratings to the disad. I don't see how it would break anything.

I'd have gone for that, but going from '-2 reaction: 10 points' to '-2 reaction: except on a self-control roll of 12 or less (x1 cost): 10 points' doesn't quite seem to make sense.

[Flyndaran]

Edit: Removed, because I was ninja-ed by one of those I was trying to paraphrase.

[Ulzgoroth]

Self-control number probably isn't appropriate because the problem of an OPH isn't that actually you acting on it, it's other people reacting to it.

Not displaying your OPH in the moment isn't going to do you any good unless the people you're interacting with don't know it's there.

[Flyndaran]

I don't know. A relative that always makes racist comments is a bit easier to deal with if for this one dinner they keep their mouth shut. You know they're racist, but your negative reaction is reduced by their control, I'd think.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I don't know. A relative that always makes racist comments is a bit easier to deal with if for this one dinner they keep their mouth shut. You know they're racist, but your negative reaction is reduced by their control, I'd think.

It's generally simpler to reduce the reaction penalty.

[DataPacRat]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Self-control number probably isn't appropriate because the problem of an OPH isn't that actually you acting on it, it's other people reacting to it.

Not displaying your OPH in the moment isn't going to do you any good unless the people you're interacting with don't know it's there.

I'm willing to go with one of the other reaction-penalty Disads, since they're all pretty much just flavors of '5 CP per -1 reaction penalty' with various Limits. I just want a Limit that's a Will roll, or a reasonable facsimile thereof.

Put another way, I'm aiming for something equivalent to 'OPH: can't stop talking about trains', except he's gotten enough anime-style slaps upside the head that he's learned to occasionally stop talking about trains and be more pleasant company.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by DataPacRat

I'd have gone for that, but going from '-2 reaction: 10 points' to '-2 reaction: except on a self-control roll of 12 or less (x1 cost): 10 points' doesn't quite seem to make sense.

Here's the problem. You can't really control what other people think of you. OPH behaviours aren't compulsive behaviours. They're unconscious ones. They're things you do without knowing that you're doing them. And often they'll make people think ill of you when they've never even met you because they've heard that you're annoying.

If you can control your compulsion to be cruel but factual then you've probably got a quirk and a reputation.

[Mailanka]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Here's the problem. You can't really control what other people think of you.

I'm not sure I buy that. What if I'm not racist at all, but people think I am? Is that Odious Personal Habit (Racist) -2 [-10]? I rather think it's more likely to be Reputation (Racist) -2 [-10]. A reputation is what people think of you. An Odious Personal Habit is something you do. It's a habit. It's like Callous or No Sense of Humor. It's not that people think of you as being this way, it's that you are this way.

This does cause some problems (You can look up threads arguing about Callous and "Crazy Eyes"), but these disadvantages aren't about what people think of you, it's how they react to your behavior.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Mailanka

I'm not sure I buy that. What if I'm not racist at all, but people think I am? Is that Odious Personal Habit (Racist) -2 [-10]? I rather think it's more likely to be Reputation (Racist) -2 [-10]. A reputation is what people think of you. An Odious Personal Habit is something you do.

Mechanically the difference between between an OPH and a Reputation is that an OPH is a reaction penalty you can't escape just by finding people who have never heard of you. Instead you have to find people who have never heard of you and get what you want before you slip and start doing that annoying thing.