Tl 2 with Tl 3 Metallurgy?

Athelstan · 05-18-2017, 05:52 PM

Speaks something against tl 2 with Tl 3 Metallurgy?

Phantasm · 05-18-2017, 06:06 PM

I can envision it. In many ways, this can be said to represent the late Roman Empire, whose metallurgy (and infrastructure) was advanced for its time compared to most of its neighbors.

(There are many folks on this forum that claim the Roman Empire is more properly TL3 in most respects; I won't argue for or against that position.)

whswhs · 05-18-2017, 06:31 PM

I don't see any inherent impossibility to it. You might want to think about what specific other technologies would have to advance to make the metallurgy possible, but I don't think it would have to be all of them.

Anthony · 05-18-2017, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Athelstan

Speaks something against tl 2 with Tl 3 Metallurgy?

What are you defining as TL 3 metallurgy?

Phil Masters · 05-19-2017, 02:00 AM

Having a society advanced a level in metallurgy certainly doesn't strain my suspension of disbelief. As I understand it, a large chunk of West Africa for a significant period had very impressive blacksmithing and bronze-casting skills while often operating on a village-based, tribal sort of basis.

DanHoward · 05-19-2017, 02:54 AM

The La Tene Celts would be another example. The Romans may even have reached TL4 in metallurgy by the time of Diocletian.

RyanW · 05-19-2017, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil Masters

Having a society advanced a level in metallurgy certainly doesn't strain my suspension of disbelief. As I understand it, a large chunk of West Africa for a significant period had very impressive blacksmithing and bronze-casting skills while often operating on a village-based, tribal sort of basis.

Suggesting it could be know-how more than infrastructure. Exactly the kind of thing that could easily be a TL ahead.

whswhs · 05-19-2017, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RyanW

Suggesting it could be know-how more than infrastructure. Exactly the kind of thing that could easily be a TL ahead.

Bronze may have more need for infrastructure than iron. Tin deposits are rare; you need to be able to ship tin or its ores long distances. Iron ore is commonplace, and in a lot of places charcoal is easy to make.

Rasna · 05-20-2017, 11:11 AM

Parthian and Sassanid Empires and coeval Northwestern India. Parthian and Indian steel were highly prized among the Romans.

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Phantasm Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: On the road again...	Re: Tl 2 with Tl 3 Metallurgy? I can envision it. In many ways, this can be said to represent the late Roman Empire, whose metallurgy (and infrastructure) was advanced for its time compared to most of its neighbors. (There are many folks on this forum that claim the Roman Empire is more properly TL3 in most respects; I won't argue for or against that position.) __________________ "Life ... is an Oreo cookie." - J'onn J'onzz, 1991 "But mom, I don't wanna go back in the dungeon!" The GURPS Marvel Universe Reboot Project A-G, H-R, and S-Z, and its not-a-wiki-really web adaptation. Ranoc, a Muskets-and-Magery Renaissance Fantasy Setting

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whswhs Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lawrence, KS	Re: Tl 2 with Tl 3 Metallurgy? I don't see any inherent impossibility to it. You might want to think about what specific other technologies would have to advance to make the metallurgy possible, but I don't think it would have to be all of them. __________________ Bill Stoddard I don't think we're in Oz any more.

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Phil Masters Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: U.K.	Re: Tl 2 with Tl 3 Metallurgy? Having a society advanced a level in metallurgy certainly doesn't strain my suspension of disbelief. As I understand it, a large chunk of West Africa for a significant period had very impressive blacksmithing and bronze-casting skills while often operating on a village-based, tribal sort of basis. __________________ -- Phil Masters My Home Page. My Self-Publications: On Warehouse 23 and On DriveThruRPG.

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DanHoward Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Maitland, NSW, Australia	Re: Tl 2 with Tl 3 Metallurgy? The La Tene Celts would be another example. The Romans may even have reached TL4 in metallurgy by the time of Diocletian. __________________ Compact Castles gives the gamer an instant portfolio of genuine, real-world castle floorplans to use in any historical, low-tech, or fantasy game setting. Last edited by DanHoward; 05-19-2017 at 06:48 AM.

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Rasna Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Pisa, Tuscany, Italy	Re: Tl 2 with Tl 3 Metallurgy? Parthian and Sassanid Empires and coeval Northwestern India. Parthian and Indian steel were highly prized among the Romans.