Waterproof surface: a perk?

[Humabout]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

I think I'd allow 'water-repellent' as a perk.

I would not include it in Sealed. Being wet causes you to get cold because of water evaporating off your outside, not because the water gets into you.

I don't think the name of the perk is as important as the mechanical function here. As someone once famously remarked, it can be called Cabaret Chicks on Ice, but it will still do what it does.

And I would include this effect in Sealed, since if you are Sealed, you're sealed against the environment - even the watery bits. For reference, space suits give the Sealed advantage to the wearer.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by Humabout

And I would include this effect in Sealed, since if you are Sealed, you're sealed against the environment - even the watery bits. For reference, space suits give the Sealed advantage to the wearer.

And being sealed against the environment has no relevance to the effect in question.

Space suits do a lot of things other than give the Sealed advantage too. Using Sealed to describe a space suit is somewhat useful. Using a space suit to describe Sealed is not.

[Humabout]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

And being sealed against the environment has no relevance to the effect in question.

Space suits do a lot of things other than give the Sealed advantage too. Using Sealed to describe a space suit is somewhat useful. Using a space suit to describe Sealed is not.

From B82:

"You are encased in a gas- and liquid-impermeable layer. This makes you waterproof and grants complete immunity to corrosive and toxic agents that must touch skin or exposed machinery to work."

So I guess it totally makes sense that hydrofloric acid won't melt your face because the chemical reaction between to and your skin cannot take place because there is no conact being made, but water evaporating still gives you hypothermia, even if, by the logic above, the water never touches you to lower your enthalpy.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by Humabout

From B82:

"You are encased in a gas- and liquid-impermeable layer. This makes you waterproof and grants complete immunity to corrosive and toxic agents that must touch skin or exposed machinery to work."

So I guess it totally makes sense that hydrofloric acid won't melt your face because the chemical reaction between to and your skin cannot take place because there is no conact being made, but water evaporating still gives you hypothermia, even if, by the logic above, the water never touches you to lower your enthalpy.

Your theory is that Sealed also means you're encased in a heat-impermeable layer?

The impermeable layer is your outer surface. The water touches and cools that, and thus you.

[Humabout]

So you are saying that Sealed encases you in a nonreactive outer layer that conducts heat perfectly but prevents conact agents from affecting you in any way? So Sealed is simply Immunity to Conact Agents [5]? I just want to be clear on what you think Sealed does.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by Humabout

So you are saying that Sealed encases you in a nonreactive outer layer that conducts heat perfectly but prevents conact agents from affecting you in any way? So Sealed is simply Immunity to Conact Agents [5]? I just want to be clear on what you think Sealed does.

It doesn't say anything about providing thermal insulation. A zip-lock bag is Sealed. If you want thermal protection you take other traits, as clearly

I'm pretty sure it includes Filter Lungs protection against respiratory agents as well.

Characterizing it as Filter Lungs [5] + Immune to Contact Agents [10] doesn't seem far wrong.


EDIT: Tangential, but is Sealed actually supposed to make you totally immune to reactive chemistry? Because that would make the trait almost perfectly useless for modeling anything, but it's not really clear. Either there isn't a trait to cover 'I can bathe in chlorine trifluoride' or nobody who can't do that has Sealed...

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Either there isn't a trait to cover 'I can bathe in chlorine trifluoride' or nobody who can't do that has Sealed...

Immune to Metabolic Hazards would cover that just fine.

[Humabout]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

I'm pretty sure it includes Filter Lungs protection against respiratory agents as well.

Negative. It only seals you (makes you waterproof and air-tight). If you lack Doesn't Breathe, your breathing apparatus won't suffer from contact agents, but respiratory agents are still a go.

Originally Posted by B108

Respiratory Agent
+50%
Your attack must be inhaled to have any effect, but it ignores all DR. Only Doesn't Breathe and Filter Lungs protect completely...

[whswhs]

Originally Posted by Humabout

So I guess it totally makes sense that hydrofloric acid won't melt your face because the chemical reaction between to and your skin cannot take place because there is no conact being made, but water evaporating still gives you hypothermia, even if, by the logic above, the water never touches you to lower your enthalpy.

It depends. Can the water cling to you while it evaporates, or does it just run off? If there's a pool of water at your feet, its evaporation won't make you much colder. And note "sheds water like a duck's back."