Martial Arts: Polearm/Quarterstaff/Weapon Adaptation

[Tomsdad]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

Heck NO if there under the staff skill listing on the table then the effects of the staff skill is already refected in their parry stat.

just like when the Sai when listed under the Jitte/Sai skill [Martial arts p.227] is listed at "+0" but when the Sai is listed under the Main-Gauche skill [p.228] is listed as "+0F"

hence why the nagaita while listed under the staff skill isn't "+2U" but "+0U" because it an unbalanced weapon but can be used with the Staff skill to let use cr damage with it

Yep that's pretty much how I see it

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

I go that the principle that the general rule applies unless a specific one overrides it.
I.e. a weapon wielded with the Staff skill enjoys the benefits of the Staff skill unless stated otherwise. Such 'stated otherwise' cases can be weapons with a U-Parry, or weapons whose statline for Staff overrides the parry modifier.

So you do have quarterstaffs / Jo etc with +4 to parry?

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by Tomsdad

So you do have quarterstaffs / Jo etc with +4 to parry?

Why +4? You seem to be offering to apply the general and the specific example of the rule twice. Don't do it twice.

[Tomsdad]

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

Why +4? You seem to be offering to apply the general and the specific example of the rule twice. Don't do it twice.

Yep hence my point about applying the +2 mentioned in the listing for staff skill to all weapons listed in staff skill (except that those with U, as per the Kromm Klarification you cited)?

You intimated that this is correct (and that you do so), I pointed out that that would mean adding +2 to al those with +2 in their listings, hence +4.

As I said in my first post on this, that is indeed double dipping.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by Tomsdad

Yep hence my point about applying the +2 mentioned in the listing for staff skill to all weapons listed in staff skill (except that those with U, as per the Kromm Klarification you cited)?

You intimated that this is correct (and that you do so), I pointed out that that would mean adding +2 to al those with +2 in their listings, hence +4.

As I said in my first post on this, that is indeed double dipping.

I said to add it to all such skills, not to add it twice. The +2 listed in the Staff-skill part of the weapon table is the same instance of the bonus as the +2 added by the skill. It's a case of a specific rule restating a general rule, doing the same thing.
Perhaps we misunderstood each other's wordings, resulting in the double-dip misinterpretation between us.

[Tomsdad]

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

I said to add it to all such skills, not to add it twice. The +2 listed in the Staff-skill part of the weapon table is the same instance of the bonus as the +2 added by the skill. It's a case of a specific rule restating a general rule, doing the same thing.
Perhaps we misunderstood each other's wordings, resulting in the double-dip misinterpretation between us.

Quite likely!

Cheers

TD