I wonder when DF will do non-European fantasy

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by b-dog

I guess orcs are like Starbucks of monsters...

Destined to be the second coming and lead their people to holy Terra?


Wait you might mean the 'coffee' houses...

[Phantasm]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

Destined to be the second coming and lead their people to holy Terra?


Wait you might mean the 'coffee' houses...

I thought Starbuck was stranded on a barren planet with only a rebuilt Cylon for company. You mean he was destined to get off that? Not what I picked up from that episode of Galactica 1980.

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by tbrock1031

I thought Starbuck was stranded on a barren planet with only a rebuilt Cylon for company. You mean he was destined to get off that? Not what I picked up from that episode of Galactica 1980.

I was trying to keep the pop reference recent for the youngsters.

[robkelk]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

I was trying to keep the pop reference recent for the youngsters.

Meh. We're supposedly a more literate bunch here, or so I'm told. Go with the original - the Quaker from Nantucket who didn't want to go after the Great White Whale.

[jason taylor]

Originally Posted by Mailanka

If your intent is to explore actual mythology, sure. I mean, let's set aside the sarcasm for a moment and ponder the fact that DF is legitimately culture-less. Greek mythology is definitely European, and if you wanted culture-themed adventures/bestiaries, you could fill one with pop-culture versions of the chimera, Cerberus, the hydra, centaurs, etc. Celtic mythology is similarly European, and we could explore the Sidhe/Fae and the fomori. Vikings are also European, and we could face off against jotun/trolls, giant wolves, serpents/dragons, etc.

Though, of course, for those with the stomach for doing actual stat-work, I note that each of these have their own 3e GURPS book, if you want a starting point.

If you asked a Celt if he was European, or even Celtic he wouldn't no what the heck you were talking about. The same would go for vikings except a viking would probably know he was a viking.

[Mailanka]

Originally Posted by jason taylor

If you asked a Celt if he was European, or even Celtic he wouldn't no what the heck you were talking about. The same would go for vikings except a viking would probably know he was a viking.

I don't see how their definition of "Europe" is pertinent to the discussion. Do we understand "Europe" to include the British Isles and Scandinavia? Yes. If I ask for a "European fantasy game" could that be understood to include Celts or Vikings? Yes.

[cptbutton]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

Destined to be the second coming and lead their people to holy Terra?


Wait you might mean the 'coffee' houses...

Originally Posted by tbrock1031

I thought Starbuck was stranded on a barren planet with only a rebuilt Cylon for company. You mean he was destined to get off that? Not what I picked up from that episode of Galactica 1980.

I was thinking of a different Holy Terra.

[jason taylor]

Originally Posted by Mailanka

I don't see how their definition of "Europe" is pertinent to the discussion. Do we understand "Europe" to include the British Isles and Scandinavia? Yes. If I ask for a "European fantasy game" could that be understood to include Celts or Vikings? Yes.

It is relevant that those are artificial categories placed by scholars hundreds of years later, and that a Celtic clan would not see any distinction from a Viking clan after they lived within a short distance from each other. Which is why MacDonalds are not Vikings even though they are. And Brian Boru was not a patriotic Irish nationalist who fought against the Danes, but a Medieval warlord who fought for the benefit of his clan and religion and his own ambitions. Whichever you think was first in his mind depending on how cynical you are.

One can't understand the social arrangements of the time without recognizing that the people then would have used different categories.

In any case what is true is that, "Knights in Shining Armor" is actually an unfavored setting. It is used a lot in games but less by comparison in literary fantasy. Some famous Victorian fantasists(like William Morris) liked it but they also liked other stuff and Vikings were one of the favorites all through the history of fantasy. Persia was also their a long time-after all we have always had Arabian Nights which may be better described as Persian Nights or Turkish Nights. Fantasists usually, unlike Jungle Opera writers did not explore as far as they might then and still haven't today. Lloyd Alexander though uses a lot of different settings.

[Mailanka]

Originally Posted by jason taylor

It is relevant that those are artificial categories placed by scholars hundreds of years later, and that a Celtic clan would not see any distinction from a Viking clan after they lived within a short distance from each other. Which is why MacDonalds are not Vikings even though they are. And Brian Boru was not a patriotic Irish nationalist who fought against the Danes, but a Medieval warlord who fought for the benefit of his clan and religion and his own ambitions. Whichever you think was first in his mind depending on how cynical you are.

One can't understand the social arrangements of the time without recognizing that the people then would have used different categories.

We're in a dungeon fantasy thread, not a thread on keeping our historical settings appropriately nuanced, man. Unless the social arrangements impact our ability to sell the stuff we got from the monsters in the dungeon, it doesn't much matter.

(And I fail to see how any of this keeps Vikings or Celts from being "European.")

[jason taylor]

Then do it in Middle-Earth, or Shannara, or Pern or a whole bunch of other constructed countries which clearly are not European because they are not anywhere.