Boxing vs. Sport (Boxing)

[Not]

Originally Posted by Bruno

Very much so. In Combat Sport (Boxing) there is a set fighting space, there's a list of legal targets and everything else you must leave alone, you must wear protective gear, you must stop when the other person submits or is too injured, third (or fourth or fifth or sixth...) parties won't show up behind you with a chair to break over your head...

You can't roll against Combat Sport (Boxing) outside of a sporting boxing match. If you want to punch "scientifically" in real combat, you roll Boxing. If you don't know Boxing but you know Combat Sport (Boxing), there's a -4 default penalty between the two because your opponent isn't following the rules and you've only learned how to fight someone following the rules.

Go the other way. How likely is the Boxer to win the refereed match against the Sport (Boxing)-er?

[DouglasCole]

Originally Posted by Not

Go the other way. How likely is the Boxer to win the refereed match against the Sport (Boxing)-er?

He will probably get disqualified, or take a real penalty when he's on the ropes, since combat boxing is more or less the skill of trained punching while wearing armor on an honest-to-goodness battlefield, if you look at what it gives you.

[Icelander]

The default is -3, not -4.

Professional boxers probably have Boxing and Games (Boxing), according to MA. Boxing Sport is for the Olympic sport, much further from full-contact fighting.

[Ashtagon]

I was under the impression that a lot of "professional boxing" is heavily choreographed, so they would actually have Boxing Art.

I must also admit though, that until this thread, I thought the Combat Art/Sport skill only applied to Melee Weapon skills, and not to unarmed melee skills.

[DangerousThing]

Kromm had some interesting posts where he suggested that it was only worth a perk to have the differences between the combat version and the sport version and the art version.

And yes, all melee skills, inlcuding hand to hand, have combat, sport, and art versions.

Kromm's rule would allow you to have the Combat skill plus a perk familiarity, such as Sport Familiarity (Boxing)

This is the post, look at the last paragraph: http://forums.sjgames.com/showpost.p...7&postcount=22

[malloyd]

Originally Posted by DangerousThing

Kromm had some interesting posts where he suggested that it was only worth a perk to have the differences between the combat version and the sport version and the art version.

And yes, all melee skills, inlcuding hand to hand, have combat, sport, and art versions.

Kromm's rule would allow you to have the Combat skill plus a perk familiarity, such as Sport Familiarity (Boxing)

The way I've been doing it lately is to call each Art or Sport form a Unique Technique of the combat skill, defaulting to combat skill and with no cap. So no points, you can't do it at all (you just lose any contests on your bad form), 1 point (the Unique Technique), roll against your skill, each further point gets you a +1, which is enough cheaper than increasing actual combat skill it actually has encouraged a few players to invest a small number of points. Not very many, but still more than I was ever going to see otherwise.

This makes the path for somebody who only cares about the art 1 point in the combat skill (here's some basics/dangerous stuff you should never do), 1 point in the Unique Technique, 2nd point in the Combat skill (which also raises the art, and is as good as they ever get in actual combat), rest of the points in the art.

[RyanW]

Originally Posted by malloyd

The way I've been doing it lately is to call each Art or Sport form a Unique Technique of the combat skill, defaulting to combat skill and with no cap. So no points, you can't do it at all (you just lose any contests on your bad form), 1 point (the Unique Technique), roll against your skill, each further point gets you a +1, which is enough cheaper than increasing actual combat skill it actually has encouraged a few players to invest a small number of points. Not very many, but still more than I was ever going to see otherwise.

I'd personally do it more like PK suggests on the MyGURPS page: combat, sport, and art are separate skills, but you can buy off the -3 penalty for crossing skills as an average technique. If you think that's too expensive replace it with a perk to eliminate the -3 penalty, like Off-Hand Weapon Training does.

[Icelander]

Originally Posted by Ashtagon

I was under the impression that a lot of "professional boxing" is heavily choreographed, so they would actually have Boxing Art.

While there are many shenanigans that go on with fighter resumes and fight results, none of these amount to choreographing individual exchanges of blows. Indeed, even managers who admit to fixing fights state that they would take care not to inform the designated winner of such an arrangment, as that would simply increase the risk of raising suspicions.

[Anaraxes]

Originally Posted by Ashtagon

I was under the impression that a lot of "professional boxing" is heavily choreographed

Perhaps you're thinking of pro wrestling.

[Tomsdad]

Originally Posted by Ashtagon

I was under the impression that a lot of "professional boxing" is heavily choreographed, so they would actually have Boxing Art.

I must also admit though, that until this thread, I thought the Combat Art/Sport skill only applied to Melee Weapon skills, and not to unarmed melee skills.

I'd say "boxing art" is probably what you see in boxing films, even if actors go and spend a couple of weeks in a gym.

(but no professional boxing is not choreographed, well not legally anyway)