[Powers] Help Building an Ability

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by Perfect Organism

Seems like a variant on Snatcher. Possibly Snatcher (Cosmic, No Roll Required, +100%; Creation, +100%; Permanent, +300%; Reduced Fatigue Cost 2, +40%; Reduced Time, Instant, +100%; Specialized, Only to Duplicate Carried Items, -60%*; Requires container, -5%) [540]

* Not sure about the value of that limitation.

I'd say it's dependent on the strictness of the GM. For my games it would be closer to 5 or 10% as I'm not likely to often limit what the PC 'can find in a container' (as with an Impulse expenditure and a Scavenging roll they could find almost anything) but in a far more strictly controlled game it would be worth more points.

[Dingle]

I think it should be worth more than -30% as the set of things you have handy is incredibly smaller than the set of all things, even if you could extend it sometimes.

Not only can the ability not be used to replace an Impulse expenditure and a Scavenging roll, it now actually requires one instead.

[JCurwen3]

Originally Posted by Dingle

I think it should be worth more than -30% as the set of things you have handy is incredibly smaller than the set of all things, even if you could extend it sometimes.

Not only can the ability not be used to replace an Impulse expenditure and a Scavenging roll, it now actually requires one instead.

Exactly. In order to make a lot of something, you need a container & at least 1 of the thing you want to make.

[Celjabba]

Unless you are using multiplicative modifiers, the actual value of the limitation does not matter much ... a few dozens points at most, on a 500 cp ability.

The proper build is probably something like this :
cosmic power modular ability, limited to one ability(-50%) and with preparation required (1 min, -20%): 3 cp per point of ability.
the ability being :
Snatcher (Cosmic, No Roll Required, +100%; Creation, +100%; Permanent, +300%; Reduced Fatigue Cost 2, +40%; Reduced Time, 1 sec, +60%; reflexive +40% (include one level of reduced time), limited, Only to Duplicate one item that must be present, -50%, gadget based(can be stolen -20%, breakable-20%, size -15%)

total cost 484*3 = 1452. (357 using multiplicative modifiers)

Celjabba

note : reflexive is in it so that the power will activate if someone leave the container open upside down ...

[Nereidalbel]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

I'd say it's dependent on the strictness of the GM. For my games it would be closer to 5 or 10% as I'm not likely to often limit what the PC 'can find in a container' (as with an Impulse expenditure and a Scavenging roll they could find almost anything) but in a far more strictly controlled game it would be worth more points.

Oh look, I found a grenade. Now my backpack has infinite food, water, and grenades. Being able to put objects into a container makes this a very small limitation, indeed.

[Celjabba]

Originally Posted by Nereidalbel

Oh look, I found a grenade. Now my backpack has infinite food, water, and grenades. Being able to put objects into a container makes this a very small limitation, indeed.

If the container will duplicate anything that is put inside after being 'enchanted', war will be fought over it, and 'something' will be done to make sure the creator won't reset it ...
Interesting questions : what happen when the backpack is full. or if a spider crawl inside ? Will it be duplicated when it move out on its own ?

By PK ruling, snatcher with creation and permanent include multimillionnaire for free... The PC will need it to get rid of the swarm of people wanting his backpack of duplication :)

Personnaly, I would rule that the item duped must be there when the ability is set.

Celjabba

[Nereidalbel]

Originally Posted by Celjabba

If the container will duplicate anything that is put inside after being 'enchanted', war will be fought over it, and 'something' will be done to make sure the creator won't reset it ...
Interesting questions : what happen when the backpack is full. or if a spider crawl inside ? Will it be duplicated when it move out on its own ?

By PK ruling, snatcher with creation and permanent include multimillionnaire for free... The PC will need it to get rid of the swarm of people wanting his backpack of duplication :)

Personnaly, I would rule that the item duped must be there when the ability is set.

Celjabba

Place grenade in backpack, "empower" for 1 minute, and you're set. If you want to be nit-picky, I'll just have infinite Mountain Dew for a minute before re-empowering my backpack.

The infinite spiders container sounds like a weapon of pure terror, though...

[Celjabba]

Originally Posted by Nereidalbel

Place grenade in backpack, "empower" for 1 minute, and you're set. If you want to be nit-picky, I'll just have infinite Mountain Dew for a minute before re-empowering my backpack.

The infinite spiders container sounds like a weapon of pure terror, though...

Yes, but this require the presence of the PC. If he 'enchant' the backpack and anyone else can later on put an item in it and get infinite copies of that item, thats even more powerful.
That said, at a cost of 1400+ , it can legitimately be powerful ...

Celjabba