[Powers] Help Building an Ability

[Sam Baughn]

Seems like a variant on Snatcher. Possibly Snatcher (Cosmic, No Roll Required, +100%; Creation, +100%; Permanent, +300%; Reduced Fatigue Cost 2, +40%; Reduced Time, Instant, +100%; Specialized, Only to Duplicate Carried Items, -60%*; Requires container, -5%) [540]

* Not sure about the value of that limitation.

[Dingle]

should you also have a requires preparation limitation?

This seems to be a situation where applying the enhancements and limitations separately would be a good idea to get a fairer price.

[JCurwen3]

Originally Posted by Perfect Organism

Seems like a variant on Snatcher. Possibly Snatcher (Cosmic, No Roll Required, +100%; Creation, +100%; Permanent, +300%; Reduced Fatigue Cost 2, +40%; Reduced Time, Instant, +100%; Specialized, Only to Duplicate Carried Items, -60%*; Requires container, -5%) [540]

* Not sure about the value of that limitation.

I should add that the container can be used by others. It can even be stolen from the owner & used by the thieves; but that isn't really a limitation because you can just empower a new container at any time you want (unless they lock you in a truly container-less prison cell).

I like the above build. But I want something to account for that minute that he needs to spend to "switch" to a different container. It can make a big difference in combat whether that's instant or requires a minute. For example, we wouldn't the character to be able to empower his container of arrows so that he has unlimited arrows, then empower a bag of spell components so he has unlimited #s of those, then empower a bag of healing medicine / magical potion so that they can freshen up, all in the course of a few seconds! Whatever the user wants to have ready in infinite supply in combat, with a minute to prepare a container it's best to empower the right container before battle ensues.

[Dingle]

I don't think it should be enhanced to instant, as it still takes about a second to remove an item from a container.

Weakened without preparation (only the last item taken) 1 minute -10%

[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by Perfect Organism

Seems like a variant on Snatcher. Possibly Snatcher (Cosmic, No Roll Required, +100%; Creation, +100%; Permanent, +300%; Reduced Fatigue Cost 2, +40%; Reduced Time, Instant, +100%; Specialized, Only to Duplicate Carried Items, -60%*; Requires container, -5%) [540]

* Not sure about the value of that limitation.

I'd say it's dependent on the strictness of the GM. For my games it would be closer to 5 or 10% as I'm not likely to often limit what the PC 'can find in a container' (as with an Impulse expenditure and a Scavenging roll they could find almost anything) but in a far more strictly controlled game it would be worth more points.

[Dingle]

I think it should be worth more than -30% as the set of things you have handy is incredibly smaller than the set of all things, even if you could extend it sometimes.

Not only can the ability not be used to replace an Impulse expenditure and a Scavenging roll, it now actually requires one instead.

[JCurwen3]

Originally Posted by Dingle

I think it should be worth more than -30% as the set of things you have handy is incredibly smaller than the set of all things, even if you could extend it sometimes.

Not only can the ability not be used to replace an Impulse expenditure and a Scavenging roll, it now actually requires one instead.

Exactly. In order to make a lot of something, you need a container & at least 1 of the thing you want to make.

[Celjabba]

Unless you are using multiplicative modifiers, the actual value of the limitation does not matter much ... a few dozens points at most, on a 500 cp ability.

The proper build is probably something like this :
cosmic power modular ability, limited to one ability(-50%) and with preparation required (1 min, -20%): 3 cp per point of ability.
the ability being :
Snatcher (Cosmic, No Roll Required, +100%; Creation, +100%; Permanent, +300%; Reduced Fatigue Cost 2, +40%; Reduced Time, 1 sec, +60%; reflexive +40% (include one level of reduced time), limited, Only to Duplicate one item that must be present, -50%, gadget based(can be stolen -20%, breakable-20%, size -15%)

total cost 484*3 = 1452. (357 using multiplicative modifiers)

Celjabba

note : reflexive is in it so that the power will activate if someone leave the container open upside down ...

[Nereidalbel]

Originally Posted by evileeyore

I'd say it's dependent on the strictness of the GM. For my games it would be closer to 5 or 10% as I'm not likely to often limit what the PC 'can find in a container' (as with an Impulse expenditure and a Scavenging roll they could find almost anything) but in a far more strictly controlled game it would be worth more points.

Oh look, I found a grenade. Now my backpack has infinite food, water, and grenades. Being able to put objects into a container makes this a very small limitation, indeed.

[Celjabba]

Originally Posted by Nereidalbel

Oh look, I found a grenade. Now my backpack has infinite food, water, and grenades. Being able to put objects into a container makes this a very small limitation, indeed.

If the container will duplicate anything that is put inside after being 'enchanted', war will be fought over it, and 'something' will be done to make sure the creator won't reset it ...
Interesting questions : what happen when the backpack is full. or if a spider crawl inside ? Will it be duplicated when it move out on its own ?

By PK ruling, snatcher with creation and permanent include multimillionnaire for free... The PC will need it to get rid of the swarm of people wanting his backpack of duplication :)

Personnaly, I would rule that the item duped must be there when the ability is set.

Celjabba