Star Wars: Light of the Cauldron

[Totem]

Originally Posted by the_matrix_walker

Note that there was no discussion, as I felt there was no point in responding to the rude nonsense of Talosian sticking his nose into something that had nothing to do with his character concept, and involved what I felt was a largely incomplete and specious examination. One that he should take up with Kromm since he is disagreeing with kromm's specific ruling.

Okay, I confess that I messed up here; people posting quotes from other people's posts without using the quoting mechanics properly so that they could be tracked had me confused, and I lost track of who was doing/ saying what. I am grateful that this issue with costs/ attacks got pointed out, because the first time I noticed anything to do with it otherwise would probably have been when several vital NPCs were wiped out in a single round. It's happened to me before where rules like this have turned up. Certainly, regardless of all else, I would have (I hope) raised issue with 2+ attacks and looked up the fact that the rules in Basic Set only specify two weapon attacks; there would have been extra penalties applied for the third and fourth weapons, regardless of what anyone had said or done, simply as a matter of extension.

Originally Posted by the_matrix_walker

Usually character creation is at least half the fun of GURPS for me, but fiddly house rules and anemic point values suck that right out...

Fiddly house rules in this case comes from making use of a variant of a standard system (for the Force) and the fact that the standard rules don't cover some situations. I've tried to keep them to a minimum, but I can't see how a load of them could be avoided; even using Powers as a basis and going for purely Advantage based Force powers rather than Magery based, you still need to clarify what is and isn't possible.

The points limit, I will admit, was a mistake; I was aiming for a realistic points limit in a game based around a cinematic world. I have just increased the points limit...

Originally Posted by the_matrix_walker

I want to play games for fun, and not for frustration, so I'm going to skip this one.

I agree. I want to play this for fun, and it looks like being a good story. I freely admit that I got impatient and launched it off a bit sooner than I should have done; half of the stuff that has come up though, is stuff that I never thought of.

Originally Posted by the_matrix_walker

He's adding mounting penalties, to triple would be [9] and Quad [13] and they would need to be combined, so that's [27] actually.

Just really obviously not worth doing.

No, each technique would be priced at base cost and would apply to all attacks, so the cumulative total would only come to 15 points. It would work out that you only needed that many points anyway.




Can I please have a role-call of players who are interested in playing, with their concepts/ character sheets as they stand, in this thread. Between digressions on the nature of the moral structure being used, having to modify the templates and house rules, and realising that I'm a bit shorter on time than I hoped, I'm starting to get frustrated with this as well. I would like to know who will be playing and have an idea of their intended role so that I can get it clear in my own mind who is doing what.

[zoncxs]

Im still in. He has a knack of trading and negotiating due to his race being natural barters. He excelled in lightsaber combat due to his hard work. He gets along with a lot of people and is not afraid to walk up to the meanest looking person and say "HI! want to trade?" with a smile. During training he sometimes fails because he refuses to leave anyone behind, once you are in his team you are like family, and he doesn't give up on family. He has a long way to go with force training, though. He learned the basics for most applications and thanks to his innate force sensitivity and knowledge he is capable of most things, but he is still considered a novice.


Name: zerobadeeveeshimet
Race: Squib
SM: -1

Attributes (100)
ST 9 [0]
DX 12 [20]
IQ 13 [60]
HT 11 [10]

HP 9 [0]
Will 12 [0]
Per 13 [0]
FP 12 [0]

Basic Speed 6 [5]
Basic Move 7 [5]

Basic Lift 16
Damage 1d-2/1d-1


Social Background
TL: 11 [0]

Cultural Familiarities:

Languages:
Galactic basic (Native) [0]
Hurt (Native) [0]
Squibbian (Native) [0]


Advantages (82)
Race: Squib [3]
Jedi Knight [64]
Ambidexterity [5]
Force Sensitivity 1 [10]


Perks (0)


Disadvantages (-30)
Chummy [-5]
Impulsiveness (15 or less) [-5]
Pacifism (Reluctant Killer) [-5]
Sense of Duty (Adventuring companions) [-5]
Xenophilia (12 or less) [-10]

Quirks (-3)
Attentive [-1]
Broad-Minded [-1]
Imaginative [-1]



Skills (51)

** = +1 from talents
* = owned by jedi knight template

Primary:
Administration (A) IQ+0 [1]**
Accounting (H) IQ+0 [2]**
Diplomacy IQ/H - IQ+0 [4]
Fast-Talk IQ/A - IQ-1 [1]
Finance (H) IQ+0 [2]**
Market Analysis (H) IQ-1 [1]**
Merchant (A) IQ+1 [4]**
Lightsabre DX/A DX+4 [16(1*)]
Expert Skill (Lightsabre) IQ/A* IQ+0 [2(1*)]
Law (Republic) IQ/H IQ-2 [1*]
Philosophy (Jedi) IQ/H IQ-2 [1*]
Meditation Will/H Will-2 [1*]

Secondary:
Acrobatics DX/H - DX-2 [1]
Brawling DX/E - DX+0 [1]
Detect Lies Per/H - Per-2 [1]
Knife DX/E - DX+0 [1]
Tracking Per/A - Per-1 [1]
Wrestling DX/A - DX+0 [2]

Background:
Acting IQ/A - IQ-1 [1]
Climbing DX/A - DX-1 [1]
Computer Operation/TL11 IQ/E - IQ+0 [1]
Escape DX/H - DX-2 [1]
First Aid/TL11 (Squib) IQ/E - IQ+0 [1]
Gesture IQ/E - IQ+0 [1]
Holdout IQ/A - IQ-1 [1]
Knot-Tying DX/E - DX+0 [1]
Hiking HT/A - HT-1 [1]
Observation Per/A - Per-1 [1]
Scrounging Per/E - Per+0 [1]
Search Per/A - Per-1 [1]
Throwing DX/A - DX-1 [1]

Force skills:
Verb:
Communicate IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Control IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Create IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Heal IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Move IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Protect IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Sense IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Strengthen IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Weaken IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**

Noun:
Animal IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Energy IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Force IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Inanimate IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Mind IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Plant IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**
Self IQ/VH IQ-2 [1*]**



Racial template Squib: (3)
DX +1 [20*]
Acute hearing +4 [8*]
Business Acumen 1 (talent) [10*]
Fearlessness +2 [4*]
Reputation +2 (Honest traders, Merchants, x½, All the time, x1) [5*]
Temperature Tolerance 2 (cold) [2*]
Fur [1*]
Curious (6 or less) [-10*]
Overconfidence (6 or less) [-10*]
Reputation (eager and obnoxious, corporations and governments) (-2) (All the time;
Large class) [-5*]
Vow (Never tell secret data) (minor) [-5*]
Dislikes liars [-1*]
Likes strange gadgets [-1*]
Size Modifier -1 [0*]
ST -1 [-10*]
Will -1 [-5*]

Jedi Knight Template: (64)*
Duty (The Force, The Order, The Republic, includes the Jedi Code) [-20]
Force Sensitivity 0 [5]
Legal Powers (Jedi; International, covert investigations, relative impunity) [15]
Legal Immunity (strict code of conduct) [5]
Patron (Jedi Order; Extremely Powerful Organisation 25, Sometimes x1) [25]
Rank (Jedi Knight) [10]
Moral Guidance (+3 on meditation rolls to remove DSP) [3]
One point in each of the following skills: Lightsabre DX/A, Expert Skill (Lightsabre) IQ/A*, Law (Republic), Philosophy (Jedi), Meditation [5]
Eight points to be spent on Verb Force skills [8]
Eight points to be spent on Noun Force skills [8]


Stats [100] Ads [82] Disads [-30] Quirks [-3] Skills [51] = Total [200]

[Talosian]

I am still potentially interested, but have become exceedingly busy with schoolwork over the last week, and it isn't likely to clear up in the immediate future. In all likelihood I will not have the time to write up a character, and potentially not enough time to participate reliably.

I'm posting a brief response to some of the accusations for the purpose of clarification, but they're in spoiler tags, so just ignore them if you don't care. If there are further issues, I would request that Matrix PM me directly.

Spoiler:  

I'm sorry that Matrix thought I was deliberately targeting him for the purposes of complicating/damaging his character concept. This was not the intent of my comment. I commented once on the topic because it came up and had been on my mind, and I did not consider commenting on what I perceive as a problematic area of the rules to be out of bounds.

He then sent me a PM inviting me to start a thread. I unfortunately do not have access to my previously sent messages, so I cannot directly quote my response. In short, I said that it didn't matter that much to me and that I did not feel the need to make a thread about it, but explicitly invited him to share any thoughts he had on the topic (he did not respond).

I apologize for potentially derailing this thread further, but I wanted to correct the misleading/false information ("I suggested that I would be happy to respond to said nonsense if he started a thread, but he was not interested in actually exploring this subject apparently, but rather in derailing what I was doing.").