Jordi Dissonance question

[Archangel Beth]

Originally Posted by Omegonthesane

There isn't actually a way in nature to kill with literally no pain, so I'd have thought the only reasonable solution was that you had to kill as quickly and cleanly as possible rather than drawing it out.

*nod*

The interesting thing is that, in nature, plenty of animals are pretty iffy on the whole "make a clean kill" thing. One of my housecats regards invading mice as squeaktoys, and he will -- absent my rescuing them -- play with them till they break. Then he sometimes eats half of them.

This is not what I'd call a "clean kill." (Well, they do bleed surprisingly little; the carpet is more-often stained by the cat discovering that mouse-feet don't agree with him, than by mouse-blood.)

This implies, to me, that the function of that part of the dissonance condition is actually a weird twist... It could be an issue of Free Will/Sapiency: angels know what they're doing, so any tormenting they do is knowingly tormenting, so it's forbidden. Or -- and possibly more in line with Jordi's word -- it is the nature of cats to play with mice till they break, whether the cat is hungry or not. It is NOT the nature of angels to do the same, and so they must remain true to their natures, even as animals are true to themselves.

Or something else someone else thinks of. (I think I like the idea that angelic nature is not to torment -- though of course you get the blackwings looking all sulky and pointing at the demons with "but-but-but" noises.)

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Archangel Beth

Or something else someone else thinks of. (I think I like the idea that angelic nature is not to torment -- though of course you get the blackwings looking all sulky and pointing at the demons with "but-but-but" noises.)

Makes you wonder what Jordi thinks of Grendel...
http://moelane.stormloader.com/innom...rs/Grendel.htm
(Psychopath Mercurian of Destiny)

[Archangel Beth]

Probably something like: "Not In My Pack; Good."

[William]

Although Jordi probably hates to think of it this way, the methods of Animals' killing being quick, clean, without hate or anger, never for fun...

...well, frankly that's an extremely humanocentric view of an idealized animal nature. The fact that it's sufficiently part of his Word to make it Dissonant or his angels might not even be his choice -- it's just human influence on his Word, like all other Words in the Symphony.

[tHEhERETIC]

Originally Posted by Dalillama

You would be amazed at how quickly that can be fatal in the presence of an angry Malakite. After the intestines are out, there's the liver, the aorta, the spleen... (also, I wouldn't put it past plenty of Malakim to be able to bite through plate armor anyway).

Originally Posted by Omegonthesane

This, and generally the majority of angelic dissonance conditions have to be deliberately triggered. There isn't actually a way in nature to kill with literally no pain, so I'd have thought the only reasonable solution was that you had to kill as quickly and cleanly as possible rather than drawing it out. Which, in the case of Mr Plate Mail Sans Gutplate, would involve burrowing into their organs to eat their heart out, resulting in a quicker death than the more traditional tearing out of their throat.

Alternately, NC: Fangs and crush their throat through the gorget.

Or as I'm fond of saying, the way to a man's heart is through his stomach, then up into the chest cavity behind the ribs. A rhino would work nicely if he got the angle right.

Of course, he's in armor in water, the fool. An alligator could do what alligators do--grab its victim and spin them under water until they drown. That way the water would not be polluted by the demon's guts, even. If the bucket o' pollution has a lid, the angel's problem is solved.

I'm way too creative for this kind of thing.