Using the Pathfinder Kingdom Building rules with GURPS

[Dragondog]

It might work to run a Kingdom, but as each plot is 750 by 750 square feet, creating a small town seem to give results that doesn't fit with the small fantasy towns I've seen created for RPGs.

[Jürgen Hubert]

Originally Posted by Dragondog

It might work to run a Kingdom, but as each plot is 750 by 750 square feet, creating a small town seem to give results that doesn't fit with the small fantasy towns I've seen created for RPGs.

The population for a fully occupied district - one square mile - is about 9,000 people.

And now I am wondering: What is the population density for pseudo-medieval towns?

[Turhan's Bey Company]

Originally Posted by Jürgen Hubert

And now I am wondering: What is the population density for pseudo-medieval towns?

Pseudo-medieval fantasy towns? Can be what you like. Actual historical settlements? Varies a lot and is exceptionally problematic. There's a possibly interesting paper here which discusses the issue of estimating civic populations, but it's best read not as a source for hard numbers so much as an overview of methods which are used to that end.

[Dragondog]

Originally Posted by Jürgen Hubert

The population for a fully occupied district - one square mile - is about 9,000 people.

And now I am wondering: What is the population density for pseudo-medieval towns?

Which is my problem. If I count the number of plots I need, the town will cover more than two square miles, but with a population of less than 2000 people. So the plots are way too big.

Do you want an inn or a caters tower on a plot covering 562,500 square feet?

[Jürgen Hubert]

Originally Posted by Dragondog

Which is my problem. If I count the number of plots I need, the town will cover more than two square miles, but with a population of less than 2000 people. So the plots are way too big.

Do you want an inn or a caters tower on a plot covering 562,500 square feet?

It should be assumed that the lots generally aren't filled by just that one building, but also generic minor housing and businesses.

[Dragondog]

Originally Posted by Jürgen Hubert

It should be assumed that the lots generally aren't filled by just that one building, but also generic minor housing and businesses.

If that is what they want us to assume, they should say so. For housing they do. And ifw we do assume this, what is "generic minor housing and Businesses"?

[Dragondog]

Originally Posted by Jürgen Hubert

It should be assumed that the lots generally aren't filled by just that one building, but also generic minor housing and businesses.

Thinking about that a little, and considering that each lot represents about 250 people, I agree with you that it's not just the one building. You only get the bonus for the building you pick, but there is other stuff there too.

Unfortunately, d20pfsrd.com is not a Paizo administered site. Perhaps they have released an SRD like Hasbro did for d&d and someone reformatted the pathfinder SRD on their own site, like the d&d SRD was reformatted on d20srd.org, but this could be pirated information.

[hal]

You may want to look at RUNEQUEST EMPIRES for something like this.

[Jürgen Hubert]

Originally Posted by Dragondog

Unfortunately, d20pfsrd.com is not a Paizo administered site. Perhaps they have released an SRD like Hasbro did for d&d and someone reformatted the pathfinder SRD on their own site, like the d&d SRD was reformatted on d20srd.org, but this could be pirated information.

As far as I am aware, these rules are a direct copy of the rules from Paizo's "Ultimate Campaign" for Pathfinder, which I also own.

Pretty much all of the Pathfinder rules were released under the OGL license (which they had to, since they created those rules based on the OGL rules released by Wizards of the Coast). Unless I am very much mistaken, the site I linked to is perfectly legal.

[Dragondog]

Originally Posted by Jürgen Hubert

As far as I am aware, these rules are a direct copy of the rules from Paizo's "Ultimate Campaign" for Pathfinder, which I also own.

Pretty much all of the Pathfinder rules were released under the OGL license (which they had to, since they created those rules based on the OGL rules released by Wizards of the Coast). Unless I am very much mistaken, the site I linked to is perfectly legal.

I just wanted to make sure we had all our ducks in a row.

And yes, I just found the Pathfinder site where they've published these rules. But the site you pointed to has made some minor changes, mostly cosmetic, but they've added some rules not in the original Paizo document.