[Psionic Powers] Gestalts Only limitation?

[Prince Charon]

I'm unable to find one, but it would fit some characters and templates. Basically, an Accessibility limitation: the power only works if the users are together in a Gestalt.

I'm wondering how big a limitation this should be, and whether it would vary by power, or by general frequency of psis in the setting (Psionic Campaigns, pp15-16), or both (and if it does vary, by how much).

For example, the vampires of Clockpunk Eastern Europe in my Five Earths setting (I start discussing them with Dargaron here) have a limited ability to control the weather, but with few exceptions, can only do this in groups, hence the need for this limitation.

Thoughts?

[Not another shrubbery]

It looks like a cross between a form of Requires Assistants [a Limitation based on Maintenance, but is found under Accessibility in Powers p99] and a version of Ceremonial Magery [Thaumatology p23]. It looks closer in value to the latter, to me.

[sir_pudding]

Isn't there a "By our powers combined" rule in Supers?

[Refplace]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Isn't there a "By our powers combined" rule in Supers?

Ouch.
No such rule as I would think of it, though the gesltat rules are there under Power Stunts.
However Kromm and I think RPK both have posted that for a group you each buy a % of the total power you have that only works s a group. That is for fusion type charecters.

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by Refplace

Ouch.
No such rule as I would think of it, though the gesltat rules are there under Power Stunts.
However Kromm and I think RPK both have posted that for a group you each buy a % of the total power you have that only works s a group. That is for fusion type charecters.

That sounds familiar... Do you have a link?

[Refplace]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

That sounds familiar... Do you have a link?

Found one and I know thre are others. I started a thread on it once even.
http://forums.sjgames.com/showpost.p...04&postcount=7

[Christopher R. Rice]

There are offical rules for this in Pyramid #3/65: Alternate GURPS III written by myself and Antoni Ten Munros.

[Prince Charon]

Originally Posted by Ghostdancer

There are offical rules for this in Pyramid #3/65: Alternate GURPS III written by myself and Antoni Ten Munros.

That would be very helpful if I had money, or access to someone else's copy (if I had a job, I'd probably already have a copy, and might not have needed to ask, since it is one of the things I'd spend money on). Thank you, though.

Unless you tell me -40% is wildly different from said official rules, I think I'll have to go with Not another shrubbery's suggestion for Ceremonial Magery.

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by Prince Charon

That would be very helpful if I had money, or access to someone else's copy (if I had a job, I'd probably already have a copy, and might not have needed to ask, since it is one of the things I'd spend money on). Thank you, though.

Unless you tell me -40% is wildly different from said official rules, I think I'll have to go with Not another shrubbery's suggestion for Ceremonial Magery.

Actually, it is, basically you figure the final cost of the ability and then divide it among the number of people who are required to use it. For example, if you need five people to use a 100-point ability, then each person would need to pay 20 points. You'd then use the normal rules for said ability, but only one person can use it at a time and it counts as a action for all those involved. Use the rules for gestalt powers to determine distance (i.e., if you need to have physical contact or not). It gets tricky when you want a ability that only takes a smaller number of people to use, but can be used by a larger number. Using the previously example, if you only need 2 people to activate the ability, then it's cost would go to 50 points, but anyone who wants to buy it could. You could for example have 10 people buy the ability, needing only two of them to activate it at one time.

[Prince Charon]

Originally Posted by Ghostdancer

Actually, it is, basically you figure the final cost of the ability and then divide it among the number of people who are required to use it. For example, if you need five people to use a 100-point ability, then each person would need to pay 20 points. You'd then use the normal rules for said ability, but only one person can use it at a time and it counts as a action for all those involved. Use the rules for gestalt powers to determine distance (i.e., if you need to have physical contact or not). It gets tricky when you want a ability that only takes a smaller number of people to use, but can be used by a larger number. Using the previously example, if you only need 2 people to activate the ability, then it's cost would go to 50 points, but anyone who wants to buy it could. You could for example have 10 people buy the ability, needing only two of them to activate it at one time.

OK, that's simple enough. Thank you. I'll just need to ask Daragon if he had a minimum number involved (the non-vampire I intended it for just has a minimum of 2).

Does it matter if one of the involved characters has a level or two without the limitation, and the rest of their levels with?

If someone has the psi power without that limitation, can they still join the gestalt?