[Low-Tech] Musical Instruments: Water & Pipe Organ?

[scc]

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

Actually I'm interested in the full list, if it turns out to be known. The one installed in a wall is the ideal to strive for, but surely our evil overlord will have to get by with what's available before restoring his former glory.

Smaller pipe organs, like say bagpipes as someone mentioned earlier, would use the same pricing as normal instruments

[CraigM]

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

Actually I'm interested in the full list, if it turns out to be known. The one installed in a wall is the ideal to strive for, but surely our evil overlord will have to get by with what's available before restoring his former glory.

Local TL? Magic available or not? And is the evil overlord cheesy enough to go for the Melnibone [1] option?
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[1] As in Elric; IIRC, his sister was fond of playing a keyboard that was connected to the amplified screams of a few dozen carefully tortured prisoners...

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by CraigM

Local TL? Magic available or not? And is the evil overlord cheesy enough to go for the Melnibone [1] option?
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(currently running a grand tour of Yrth)

[1] As in Elric; IIRC, his sister was fond of playing a keyboard that was connected to the amplified screams of a few dozen carefully tortured prisoners...

I'd rather start with the generic per-TL values of Low-Tech, and account for magical ways to ease the construction after that.

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by CraigM

And is the evil overlord cheesy enough to go for the Melnibone [1] option?
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[1] As in Elric; IIRC, his sister was fond of playing a keyboard that was connected to the amplified screams of a few dozen carefully tortured prisoners...

This is the second time I've seen a reference to this meme. Do you recall the source? I don't remember it from Moorcock's stories, but it has been a while since I've read them.

[DangerousThing]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

This is the second time I've seen a reference to this meme. Do you recall the source? I don't remember it from Moorcock's stories, but it has been a while since I've read them.

It was in the earliest one in the sequence I believe. I think it was Elric of Melnibone, but I haven't read those stories in quite a while. They are just too depressing, and for somebody with chronic depression, much too dangerous.

I'm sure if you looked up Elric on Wikipedia it would give you the stories and perhaps a synopsis of each.

[DangerousThing]

As for the $850,000 value, that is in today's dollars. I think the GURPS standard is 1970 which would lower the price by about three.

And yes, several people have made some quite impressive pipe organs with PVC pipe. I would have to use a computer to do this as my musical incompetence is impressive. (I have written a few songs and was trying to get them transcribed by a friend. He'd get a few notes, then have be highly frustrated because I'd restart the song in a different key and I couldn't hear the difference.)

[johndallman]

Originally Posted by DangerousThing

As for the $850,000 value, that is in today's dollars. I think the GURPS standard is 1970 which would lower the price by about three.

It's US$ at the time of publication of the 4e Basic set, in 2004. $100 then is about $125 now, depending on how you measure it: there's a sensible website about that here.

[scc]

Originally Posted by johndallman

It's US$ at the time of publication of the 4e Basic set, in 2004. $100 then is about $125 now, depending on how you measure it: there's a sensible website about that here.

NO! A GURPS dollar is set at the cost of a loaf of bread. Of course how that actually translates into real world money is up for graps, where I live I've seen bread priced from AUD $2-5

[Peter Knutsen]

Originally Posted by scc

NO! A GURPS dollar is set at the cost of a loaf of bread. Of course how that actually translates into real world money is up for graps, where I live I've seen bread priced from AUD $2-5

How big is a "loaf" actually?

Here in Denmark, I can buy 800 grams of high-fibre, 33% wholegrain, pre-sliced bread, for 10-12 Danish kroner, in discount shops, or in other shops for a few percent more if I'm willing to compromise slightly on the fibres (6.5% instead of 8%).

That's wheat bread. I don't go for rye bread, because I seem to get a mild stomach irritation, but I'm pretty sure you can buy black bread for rather less than 12.5 DKK/kg. Probably even pre-sliced.

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by DangerousThing

It was in the earliest one in the sequence I believe. I think it was Elric of Melnibone, but I haven't read those stories in quite a while. They are just too depressing, and for somebody with chronic depression, much too dangerous.

I'm sure if you looked up Elric on Wikipedia it would give you the stories and perhaps a synopsis of each.

Near the beginning of Elric of Melnibone, it mentions "music slaves" who have been trained (and modified) to sing one perfect note each, and whose efforts are goaded by their masters through the infliction of pain. I don't believe any more detail than that was given. Is that the part you mean?