Does doppelganger also copy one shot items played before it?

Baconbastard · 01-28-2014, 12:31 PM

Additionally, you can not get help from another player after you doppelganger, correct?

Clipper · 01-28-2014, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Baconbastard

Additionally, you can not get help from another player after you doppelganger, correct?

I believe the answer to this one was that you could, but the Doppleganger would be discarded, so it no longer has an effect.

Baconbastard · 01-31-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Clipper

I believe the answer to this one was that you could, but the Doppleganger would be discarded, so it no longer has an effect.

Are you sure? because doppelganger says that you can only play it when you're in combat alone, so you wouldn't be able to play it and double your power, then use kneepads to recruit a buddy? You still played it while you were by yourself, which was the stipulation of the card. Likewise, this will answer if you can do this with the gnomes illusion ability as well or not.

MunchkinMan · 01-31-2014, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Baconbastard

Are you sure? because doppelganger says that you can only play it when you're in combat alone, so you wouldn't be able to play it and double your power, then use kneepads to recruit a buddy? You still played it while you were by yourself, which was the stipulation of the card. Likewise, this will answer if you can do this with the gnomes illusion ability as well or not.

Clipper is correct, and the same conditions would apply to the Gnome's illusion as well. A search through the forums should find both Andrew and I saying this at different times. It's even possible Clipper has a link to a ruling on "speed dial."

Baconbastard · 01-31-2014, 02:02 PM

Would I be able to doppelganger and illusion then? Or does it become one or the other?

Rapanui · 01-31-2014, 06:13 PM

Are there any cited rules about this issue with how Doppelganger, or the Gnomes ability get discarded away, and that they can't be used then ask for help? By strictly reading the card I interpret it as that if I am already given help that I cannot use either one, but that on the condition that I am alone then I can use it without restriction later to gain help.

I usually MunchkinMan, Andrew, and I believe Clipper (or some other MIB) posting to help others, and I find it to be informative and trustworthy. I am not sure on the capacity on your individual authorities in regards to giving information without citing the sources. Are you just asserting your experienced opinions, or are you judges that can make final official rulings? This might not be the appropriate thread to ask, but it does concern how I accept your views on matters here including other threads.

If this is an official ruling, then how come discard it than rather putting it back to where it was?

MunchkinMan · 01-31-2014, 08:43 PM

It's official.

Andrew and I give official rulings based on our knowledge of the game, the cards, and, in some cases, of what Steve told us. If there's a rule to cite, we'll cite it, but in this case, this is one of those things that we both agree is consistent with other rulings given on similar issues, and is, in part, based on something Steve told me *cough* years ago.

Rapanui · 01-31-2014, 09:03 PM

Okay, so if you use either, then you can still ask for help, but you must discard the card you used, correct? No being locked into going it alone.

Baconbastard asks a question I too was curious about, which is being able to use both. Both are under the circumstance of you being alone, so they should both work, correct?

Also, no one pointed out a previous inclusion to this thread about loaded dice being multiplied and other thing stoo when you use doppelganger. Is this true, or could anyone point out if that's incorrect? If that is correct can I consider my doppelganger to have all the monster enhancer cards and stuff too, and if so, can I choose to use his cards and not mine.... I think we all see how far that path goes.

Exactly how does doppelganger work? I see it as anything that increases your bonus that was used before doppelganger will double your bonus, but others are also saying it will be influx with whatever future adjustments are made within that combat, which I can also make sense of.

How do things get added to the FAQ, and do any of these rules that you decide on here get included ever on your authority?

01-28-2014, 12:31 PM	#1
Baconbastard Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Albany, NY	Re: Does doppelganger also copy one shot items played before it? Additionally, you can not get help from another player after you doppelganger, correct?

01-31-2014, 02:02 PM	#5
Baconbastard Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Albany, NY	Re: Does doppelganger also copy one shot items played before it? Would I be able to doppelganger and illusion then? Or does it become one or the other?

01-31-2014, 06:13 PM	#6
Rapanui Join Date: Jan 2014	Re: Does doppelganger also copy one shot items played before it? Are there any cited rules about this issue with how Doppelganger, or the Gnomes ability get discarded away, and that they can't be used then ask for help? By strictly reading the card I interpret it as that if I am already given help that I cannot use either one, but that on the condition that I am alone then I can use it without restriction later to gain help. I usually MunchkinMan, Andrew, and I believe Clipper (or some other MIB) posting to help others, and I find it to be informative and trustworthy. I am not sure on the capacity on your individual authorities in regards to giving information without citing the sources. Are you just asserting your experienced opinions, or are you judges that can make final official rulings? This might not be the appropriate thread to ask, but it does concern how I accept your views on matters here including other threads. If this is an official ruling, then how come discard it than rather putting it back to where it was?

01-31-2014, 08:43 PM	#7
MunchkinMan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Macungie, PA	Re: Does doppelganger also copy one shot items played before it? It's official. Andrew and I give official rulings based on our knowledge of the game, the cards, and, in some cases, of what Steve told us. If there's a rule to cite, we'll cite it, but in this case, this is one of those things that we both agree is consistent with other rulings given on similar issues, and is, in part, based on something Steve told me cough years ago. __________________ Erik D. Zane *Munchkin* NetRep -- munchkin@sjgames.com MiB #1029

01-31-2014, 09:03 PM	#8
Rapanui Join Date: Jan 2014	Re: Does doppelganger also copy one shot items played before it? Okay, so if you use either, then you can still ask for help, but you must discard the card you used, correct? No being locked into going it alone. Baconbastard asks a question I too was curious about, which is being able to use both. Both are under the circumstance of you being alone, so they should both work, correct? Also, no one pointed out a previous inclusion to this thread about loaded dice being multiplied and other thing stoo when you use doppelganger. Is this true, or could anyone point out if that's incorrect? If that is correct can I consider my doppelganger to have all the monster enhancer cards and stuff too, and if so, can I choose to use his cards and not mine.... I think we all see how far that path goes. Exactly how does doppelganger work? I see it as anything that increases your bonus that was used before doppelganger will double your bonus, but others are also saying it will be influx with whatever future adjustments are made within that combat, which I can also make sense of. How do things get added to the FAQ, and do any of these rules that you decide on here get included ever on your authority?