[RPM] Granting Skill

[Humabout]

For some reason, I thought altered traits couldn't be used for skills. Why would you limit using it to avoid skill defaults? The hard cap seems sufficient to prevent abuse. If you are running off of a default, enjoy a benefit you paid for. Just preventing altered traits from boosting a skill above attribute+0 should suffice, I'd think. I like the idea of boosting techniques, too. I hadn't even considered that yet.

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by Humabout

For some reason, I thought altered traits couldn't be used for skills. Why would you limit using it to avoid skill defaults? The hard cap seems sufficient to prevent abuse. If you are running off of a default, enjoy a benefit you paid for. Just preventing altered traits from boosting a skill above attribute+0 should suffice, I'd think. I like the idea of boosting techniques, too. I hadn't even considered that yet.

I'm pretty sure I said I've used it for skills that don't have defaults, rather than only for skills that don't have defaults. :-)

[Varyon]

Granting skill (rather than just bestowing a bonus) should probably be a Greater Effect. Suddenly functioning as though you have decent training is far more reality-bending than managing to get consistently lucky, at least in my opinion.

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by Varyon

Granting skill (rather than just bestowing a bonus) should probably be a Greater Effect. Suddenly functioning as though you have decent training is far more reality-bending than managing to get consistently lucky, at least in my opinion.

I disagree. Lesser Strengthen Mind can increase a target's IQ, Will, or Per up to +30%. It also states specifically that it can add any mundane mental advantage (which I'd be willing to extend to skills).

[vicky_molokh]

RPM39 lists Typical Casting: Lesser Sense Mind (2) + Lesser Strengthen Mind (3) + Altered Trait, Babel-Tongue (Native/None) (3) + Area of Effect, 3 yards (2) + Duration, 1 hour (3). 13 energy (13×1).

If a language is a legal Lesser effect, then so should be a skill.

[vierasmarius]

Should it be harder to grant knowledge that the caster doesn't possess? Basically, if you're granting cp in a skill or language that you don't know it becomes a Greater Effect. This doesn't apply to Bestows a Bonus or Talent, because that isn't impacting the knowledge of the target, but their aptitude, their ability to use the skill they have.

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by vierasmarius

Should it be harder to grant knowledge that the caster doesn't possess? Basically, if you're granting cp in a skill or language that you don't know it becomes a Greater Effect. This doesn't apply to Bestows a Bonus or Talent, because that isn't impacting the knowledge of the target, but their aptitude, their ability to use the skill they have.

I use three rules to determine Greater effects:

• How difficult is the task? Could a normal person accomplish it easily? If it’s easy, then mark it as a “Yes.” If it’s hard, mark it as a “No.”
• Could anyone do it given equipment and a reasonable amount of time?
• Would it violate the natural laws of the setting?

If you answered “Yes” to all three than it is probably a Greater effect; if you answered “No” to all three, then it is probably a Lesser effect. If you answered “Yes” to one or two questions, then it’s iffy. It might be a Greater effect, if might be a Lesser effect. When I’ve answered “Yes” twice I err on the side of caution and charge for a Greater effect, when I answer “Yes” only once, I usually call it a Lesser effect and go on with the game.

So, is it difficult? No, you could learn how to do it given time. Is it difficult? Nor more than learning any other skill. Does it violate natural laws? Mmmm, maybe. Probably no. Thus I'd call it a Lesser effect.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by vierasmarius

Should it be harder to grant knowledge that the caster doesn't possess? Basically, if you're granting cp in a skill or language that you don't know it becomes a Greater Effect. This doesn't apply to Bestows a Bonus or Talent, because that isn't impacting the knowledge of the target, but their aptitude, their ability to use the skill they have.

The canonical effect grants a language that nobody knows, thus guaranteeing secure communication of a reasonable level, and yet is a Lesser Effect.

Hmm. Another thought: Path of Chance can reasonably Grant a Bonus to lots of stuff, but it simply can't grant Altered Traits that belong to the Path of Mind.

[Humabout]

Originally Posted by Ghostdancer

I'm pretty sure I said I've used it for skills that don't have defaults, rather than only for skills that don't have defaults. :-)

A you subtle, subtle twerp! I will read less into and more of your posts from now on.

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by Humabout

A you subtle, subtle twerp! I will read less into and more of your posts from now on.

Meddle not in the affairs of authors, for they are subtle and quick to correct your every mistake. ;-) Sides, if you think that's indirect, you should see some of the material I've written for Pyramid. There are at least three articles where no one has discovered the Easter eggs within.