Power-Ups for RPM?

[Refplace]

Originally Posted by munin

Gathering energy is basically the only thing you use Concentrate maneuvers for in RPM, so there isn't really a difference between "RPM Only" and "Gather energy only".

That seems closer to fair then I expected. Still not sure I agree on the No Mental Seperation value but ts RAW and in multiple places so I'll deal.

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by Refplace

Well thanks for the acknowledgement and thoughts on Control (Magic).

Of course! I think you posted it first, even though I'm pretty sure I was toying with it before that. And it is a good idea.

Originally Posted by Refplace

Speaking of Compartmentalized Mind what do you guys think using it only to Gather Energy is valued at? Or only to use with RPM?
I tend not to give very much but am curious on others views.

Originally Posted by munin

Gathering energy is basically the only thing you use Concentrate maneuvers for in RPM, so there isn't really a difference between "RPM Only" and "Gather energy only".

Yeah, PK posted that earlier, I suggested a -50% or so value, because that is what I was using in my games. Though I can see how it can be too good a deal.

Originally Posted by Refplace

That seems closer to fair then I expected. Still not sure I agree on the No Mental Seperation value but ts RAW and in multiple places so I'll deal.

Actually No Mental Separation is about right IMHO.

[Kalzazz]

I am thinking of allowing Super Symbol Drawer perk

Super Symbol Drawer gives +1 to suitable casting rolls and thaumatology knowledge checks when the caster follows the following restrictions
1. Uses symbol drawing for 1 minute (modified by time spent rules)
2. Grandly draws symbols, either in the air (-4 penalty) or on a suitable surface (such as the ground with a stick, or on the wall with a marker), the symbols must be suitably grand as in some ways they are a prop much like a grimoire, no smaller than (the smaller of caster SM or SM 0, so a pixie could get away with say a normal sheet of paper sized set of symbols, but a human or a dragon would need to cover a human sized area)
3. Makes their symbol drawing check. +1 on success, -1 on failure, +2 on crit success, -2 and an automatic quirk (if the spell succeeds at all) on crit failure. On a knowledge check, a crit fail is still -2, but adds a bit of misinformation as well
4. It must be done right then right now before casting/pondering something, cannot be done ahead of time

Inspired heavily by this thread (I thought Worminghall Symbol Drawing was awesome and wanted to use it for RPM back then)

http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=98862

Symbol Drawing just doesn't get the RPM love, its only real use is preparing for -1 casting for non adepts, and they can just use Thaumatology instead (and considering they need the Thaumatology to cast the spells in the first place its hard to see why they really want Symbol Drawing to)

I think that it being time consuming, obvious, limited in application, requiring an otherwise dubious skill and allowing observers to figure out what your doing makes this perk category (note, as for allowing it to influence thaumatology knowledge checks also, in movies we always see people trying to figure out knotty problems at the blackboard, so I think symbol drawing makes sense there to)

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by Kalzazz

I am thinking of allowing Super Symbol Drawer perk

Super Symbol Drawer gives +1 to suitable casting rolls and thaumatology knowledge checks when the caster follows the following restrictions
1. Uses symbol drawing for 1 minute (modified by time spent rules)
2. Grandly draws symbols, either in the air (-4 penalty) or on a suitable surface (such as the ground with a stick, or on the wall with a marker), the symbols must be suitably grand as in some ways they are a prop much like a grimoire, no smaller than (the smaller of caster SM or SM 0, so a pixie could get away with say a normal sheet of paper sized set of symbols, but a human or a dragon would need to cover a human sized area)
3. Makes their symbol drawing check. +1 on success, -1 on failure, +2 on crit success, -2 and an automatic quirk (if the spell succeeds at all) on crit failure. On a knowledge check, a crit fail is still -2, but adds a bit of misinformation as well
4. It must be done right then right now before casting/pondering something, cannot be done ahead of time

Inspired heavily by this thread (I thought Worminghall Symbol Drawing was awesome and wanted to use it for RPM back then)

http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=98862

Symbol Drawing just doesn't get the RPM love, its only real use is preparing for -1 casting for non adepts, and they can just use Thaumatology instead (and considering they need the Thaumatology to cast the spells in the first place its hard to see why they really want Symbol Drawing to)

I think that it being time consuming, obvious, limited in application, requiring an otherwise dubious skill and allowing observers to figure out what your doing makes this perk category (note, as for allowing it to influence thaumatology knowledge checks also, in movies we always see people trying to figure out knotty problems at the blackboard, so I think symbol drawing makes sense there to)

I don't see anything wrong with this right off, but I havent had much sleep. I'd change the name personally, something like "Symbol Mastery" or the like.

[Pragmatic]

Okay, cost to convert one path's Greater adjustments to Lesser?

E.g., Amplify Injury (Thau: RPM, pg 39) has Greater Destroy Body. How much to convert that to Lesser Destroy Body (reducing the cost to 21, instead of 63)?

[Humabout]

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Okay, cost to convert one path's Greater adjustments to Lesser?

E.g., Amplify Injury (Thau: RPM, pg 39) has Greater Destroy Body. How much to convert that to Lesser Destroy Body (reducing the cost to 21, instead of 63)?

40 points / Greater Effect reduced in this way.

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Okay, cost to convert one path's Greater adjustments to Lesser?

E.g., Amplify Injury (Thau: RPM, pg 39) has Greater Destroy Body. How much to convert that to Lesser Destroy Body (reducing the cost to 21, instead of 63)?

Originally Posted by Humabout

40 points / Greater Effect reduced in this way.

Well, if it's just for a specific ritual, you'd need Control Amplify Energy 3 [30]. You could also buy Control Destroy Body 3 [45] which would affect all rituals with those parameters, or Control Destroy or Body 3 [60] which would affect all Destroy or Body effects, or Control Magic 3 [120] which could reduce one Greater effect to normal cost. Now keep in mind, that these can only affect other people, not yourself, per Pyramid #3/20 Infinite Worlds (p. 7). Though "Cosmic, Affects Self" (+50%) would negate that. Though it would increase the costs quite a bit...