Born Biters (Martial Arts) and Cats, Dogs, and Bears

[Icelander]

Originally Posted by DouglasCole

"All I want is a frickin' lizard with a laser beam on it's head. Is that too much to ask?"
- Dr. Luke Evil

Not to be confused with Master Brett Evill, our resident Aussie economist and non-evil genius, who inexplicably refuses to give up some years of his life to finish a PhD, in order that I might know a Dr. Evill in real life.

[lwcamp]

Originally Posted by Verjigorm

Luke is our resident expert in lasers and lizards. Don't as him about the laser lizards though.

Well, just give it a 6d(2) burn innate attack with ROF 10, and that should do it. I don't know how many games can handle that much awesomeness without imploding, though, so be careful.

Luke

[lwcamp]

Originally Posted by Verjigorm

Delicately?

Snort! Good one.

Luke

[Vaevictis Asmadi]

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin

That may (or may not) be the thing in the real world that Born Biter models but Born Biter is primarily a game mechanical Trait that determines who (specifically in the form of relative SM)and how well (equivalent of 1 arm or 2) you can Grapple by Biting as well as the ability to attack specific targets such as Veins/Arteries and Vitals by Biting.

I know of no way to directly determine who has Born Biter by physical measurements. The standards haven't been published if they even exist in explicit form (they probably don't).

However, I can deduce the presence of Born Biter after the fact by analyzing the relative sizes of prey taken by Biting. If it's the animal's SM or bigger they have Born Biter. I know of no other way that I consider accurate to do this.

But then what do you do with an animal that can bite things larger than themselves, but can't grapple with their jaws? Thylacines had the weak jaw structure I described, but could bite a dog's entire head at once. They just couldn't hold on afterwards. Sabre-tooth cats could tear out the throat of a quite large animal, but couldn't grapple without risking a life-threatening broken canine.

[DouglasCole]

Originally Posted by Vaevictis Asmadi

But then what do you do with an animal that can bite things larger than themselves, but can't grapple with their jaws? Thylacines had the weak jaw structure I described, but could bite a dog's entire head at once. They just couldn't hold on afterwards. Sabre-tooth cats could tear out the throat of a quite large animal, but couldn't grapple without risking a life-threatening broken canine.

High mouth SM (Born Biter) but low jaw ST. This will be easier to do by far once The Book That Shall Not Be Named comes out.

[coyote6]

Originally Posted by DouglasCole

High mouth SM (Born Biter) but low jaw ST. This will be easier to do by far once The Book That Shall Not Be Named comes out.

GURPS SURVIVORS will have rules on biting and grappling?!?

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by coyote6

GURPS SURVIVORS will have rules on biting and grappling?!?

I was thinking VDS as mouths are just processing vehicles for the stomach.

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I was thinking VDS as mouths are just processing vehicles for the stomach.

Spaceships 7 has rules for Maws. VDS might address the subject in greater detail.

[lwcamp]

Originally Posted by DouglasCole

High mouth SM (Born Biter) but low jaw ST. This will be easier to do by far once The Book That Shall Not Be Named comes out.

But then we get to the Thylacine, which had a stronger bite than comparable placentals (like the dingo), but less resistance to torsion. So a dingo is better at biting and holding a struggling 'roo by the leg even though it can't chomp down as hard. It would also be easier to pry a dingo's jaws off than a thylacine's.

Luke

[Vaevictis Asmadi]

Easier to pry if you pull them apart hinge-wise like a bear trap. Probably harder to escape by writhing around.