Different Cosmics

[kirbwarrior]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

No. They can't. Vanilla Neutralize and Static are both power source dependent Advantages. They don't work against wild Advantages any more than Cosmic ones. In the Super/Mutant/Psi power power sources, you get 5% for being vulnerable to gear, and 5% for being vulnerable to Static and Neutralize.

I'd be fine with making Cosmic +45% if that's what is necessary.

Originally Posted by gjc8

They are, strictly speaking different: one is a part of a Power with a Cosmic Source and one is a wild ability that is not part of a Power and has no Source. This may have some minor effects.

What I'm shooting for is; how can I make an ability that has No Roll Required (or any other cosmic, like Irresistible) without making it Cosmic? This is where I am confused.

An example of 'physics works differently', going from a setting where magic is powers to a world where magic is strictly skills, and you must have completely different knowledge of how it works to use it, someone with Cosmic PM on an ability (and Magical) could use it in the new world, still subject to magical limitations. This would even apply in reverse, if a wizard had Cosmic on their Magery (probably the 300% version though).

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

What I'm shooting for is; how can I make an ability that has No Roll Required (or any other cosmic, like Irresistible) without making it Cosmic? This is where I am confused.

Give it Cosmic: No Die Roll Required. Do not give it a Cosmic Power Modifier.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

What I'm shooting for is; how can I make an ability that has No Roll Required (or any other cosmic, like Irresistible) without making it Cosmic? This is where I am confused.
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Dude, just write down "No Roll Required 100%". Done.

[the_matrix_walker]

Right... Only apply the Cosmic PM to COSMIC POWERZ!

[kirbwarrior]

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

Detect Gold (Cosmic: No Roll required +100%)

Detect Gold (Cosmic PM, +50%; Cosmic: No Roll required +50%)

In a setting where I'm allowed to have NRR and Cosmic PM, I would like to get NRR, without the Cosmic. Do I not save points by doing so? Am I just making my power worse without any compensation?

[the_matrix_walker]

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

In a setting where I'm allowed to have NRR and Cosmic PM, I would like to get NRR, without the Cosmic. Do I not save points by doing so? Am I just making my power worse without any compensation?

No, you don't get any compensation for not taking the free lunch. If you did, it wouldn't be a free lunch!

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

What I'm shooting for is; how can I make an ability that has No Roll Required (or any other cosmic, like Irresistible) without making it Cosmic? This is where I am confused.

You just ignore the word 'cosmic', as it does not actually mean 'cosmic'. It's a horrible name, the advantage should really be named 'rules exemption' or something similar, it has absolutely nothing to do with the cosmic power source.

[Sunrunners_Fire]

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

In a setting where I'm allowed to have NRR and Cosmic PM, I would like to get NRR, without the Cosmic. Do I not save points by doing so?

You do not save points doing so, correct.

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

Am I just making my power worse without any compensation?

Also correct.

Cosmic (_insert utility effect here_), +50% gives you Cosmic PM, +50%, for free. _insert utility effect here_ is worth +50% regardless of whether you accept the free Cosmic PM or not.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Sunrunners_Fire

Cosmic (_insert utility effect here_), +50% gives you Cosmic PM, +50%, for free.

Incorrect. It gives you Cosmic PM, +0%, for free. Any power that lacks a power-source modifier is Cosmic.

[Sunrunners_Fire]

Originally Posted by Anthony

You just ignore the word 'cosmic', as it does not actually mean 'cosmic'. It's a horrible name, the advantage should really be named 'rules exemption' or something similar, it has absolutely nothing to do with the cosmic power source.

"In effect, the first +50% of Cosmic is built in." GURPS Powers, pg 101.