Different Cosmics

[the_matrix_walker]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

No, it isn't.

It absolutely is. The Latter is with you when astral projecting, killed and reborn in a new body, or whatever!

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by the_matrix_walker

It absolutely is. The former can be negated by a non--cosmic Neutralize or Static, the latter cannot.

Actual they can't as it's a wildcard ability, Neutralize and Static doesn't work on wildcards, only on powers.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by the_matrix_walker

It absolutely is. The former can be negated by a non--cosmic Neutralize or Static, the latter cannot.

No. They can't. Vanilla Neutralize and Static are both power source dependent Advantages. They don't work against wild Advantages any more than Cosmic ones. In the Super/Mutant/Psi power power sources, you get 5% for being vulnerable to gear, and 5% for being vulnerable to Static and Neutralize.

[gjc8]

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

So with my above Detect Gold variants, is there not a difference between them? the_matrix_walker is the one who pointed out they are different abilities, even though they are the same price.

They are, strictly speaking different: one is a part of a Power with a Cosmic Source and one is a wild ability that is not part of a Power and has no Source. This may have some minor effects.

[the_matrix_walker]

Yeah, I realized that and edited my post, but not before you guys called me on it apparently ;)

[gjc8]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

Actual they can't as it's a wildcard ability, Neutralize and Static doesn't work on wildcards, only on powers.

Wild ability. Wildcard abilities are something different (which is confusing terminology, I know).

[the_matrix_walker]

Detect is a Mental ability, so it's less apparent on it... but take for example Cosmic Dodge. If you had Cosmic Dodge as part of your Cosmic PM, you would keep it when Mind Switched or Possessing someone or if Loki turned you into a frog.

[gjc8]

Originally Posted by the_matrix_walker

Detect is a Mental ability, so it's less apparent on it... but take for example Cosmic Dodge. If you had Cosmic Dodge as part of your Cosmic PM, you would keep it when Mind Switched or Possessing someone or if Loki turned you into a frog.

Alright, this I think is actually true. But it's not unique to Cosmic; the same would happen if you had Enhanced Dodge (Psi -10%).

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by the_matrix_walker

It absolutely is. The Latter is with you when astral projecting, killed and reborn in a new body, or whatever!

You mean like any mental power? There is a difference in that if there was a specific counter-advantage like "Invisibility to Gold Detection" it wouldn't work on the Cosmic powered version without itself being Cosmic. But we're getting into very specific territory here.

[the_matrix_walker]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

You mean like any mental power? There is a difference in that if there was a specific counter-advantage like "Invisibility to Gold Detection" it wouldn't work on the Cosmic powered version without itself being Cosmic. But we're getting into very specific territory here.

The Cosmic Detect would ignore non-cosmic obscure.
Cosmic PM DR can't be degraded by non-cosmic Corrosion attacks

If you get world-hopped and the GM say's "physics work differently" Cosmic powers stay even when equivalent wild advantages may not.

I don't want to paste the whole paragraph.... But the features listed on Powers Page 21 are quite a bit more far reaching than "any ol mental ability", and as long as you have another kind of cosmic on the power, those features are free.