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[whswhs]

Originally Posted by AlonzoTheGurpsPlayer

Alright trooper6, if I do the Cold War era thing, what martial art would the US team use? Except for Boxing and various Wrestling styles, I can't think of anything that Americans would be likely to use.

Judo is possible. Judo was trendy in the United States in that era. It actually seems to have referred to a range of Japanese martial arts (which pretty much were "martial arts" as far as most Americans knew); one of the blows that GURPS classes under Karate was then called a "judo chop."

Bill Stoddar

[Peter V. Dell'Orto]

Originally Posted by whswhs

one of the blows that GURPS classes under Karate was then called a "judo chop."

I don't think that's actually true. Or at least, prior to Austin Powers, I don't recall hearing, and I know I didn't find it in any of my research. Do you have a source for that?

[whswhs]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

I don't think that's actually true. Or at least, prior to Austin Powers, I don't recall hearing, and I know I didn't find it in any of my research. Do you have a source for that?

Just memory; I remember Lucy van Pelt threatening one of the other characters—it might have been Linus—with a "judo chop." But I don't have collected Peanuts on my shelves. But I remember seeing it a long time before Austin Powers was thought of. Can't quote you sources, though.

Bill Stoddard

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by whswhs

Just memory; I remember Lucy van Pelt threatening one of the other characters—it might have been Linus—with a "judo chop." But I don't have collected Peanuts on my shelves. But I remember seeing it a long time before Austin Powers was thought of. Can't quote you sources, though.

Bill Stoddard

I know I heard it as a child, and I'm certainly not young enough for that movie to have been from then.

[Gold & Appel Inc]

Originally Posted by whswhs

Just memory; I remember Lucy van Pelt threatening one of the other characters—it might have been Linus—with a "judo chop." But I don't have collected Peanuts on my shelves. But I remember seeing it a long time before Austin Powers was thought of. Can't quote you sources, though.

Bill Stoddard

As an oldskool Peanuts fan with no books handy (they're sitting in my Dad's collection 2,500 miles from here), I can soft/anecdotally back this up. In GURPS and realistic terms, she would probably have delivered a DX Punch or Brawling-Default Hammer Fist if she followed through on it, but Lucy actually said that.

[Peter V. Dell'Orto]

That's good to know, but "Peanuts" wouldn't denote common acceptance of the term outside of a humorous situation. I was wondering if it was ever stated serious. Karate chop certainly was.

[trooper6]

Google NGrams has the phrase "judo chop" being used starting about 1952 reaching its high point in 1972. So is certainly pre-dates Austin Powers.

Some examples:
"In a pre-bout interview Tuesday (15) night with Duke Keomuka, Japanese wrestler from Houston, Boland was on the receiving end of a judo chop to the neck that knocked him across the ring."
--"KRLD-TV Boland bowled by Jap" Billboard Magazine, Jan 26 1952, pg. 4

There are a lot more examples on the NGrams.

[whswhs]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

That's good to know, but "Peanuts" wouldn't denote common acceptance of the term outside of a humorous situation. I was wondering if it was ever stated serious. Karate chop certainly was.

I'm assuming that it was used by people ignorant of the actual martial arts. However, the fact that it was in somewhat common use is evidence toward my claim that judo was somewhat familiar in the United States in the Cold War era, and therefore could be available to an American MMA combatant.

Bill Stoddard

[trooper6]

Originally Posted by whswhs

I'm assuming that it was used by people ignorant of the actual martial arts. However, the fact that it was in somewhat common use is evidence toward my claim that judo was somewhat familiar in the United States in the Cold War era, and therefore could be available to an American MMA combatant.

Bill Stoddard

Indeed, oh and also according to wikipedia there were 5 American competitors in Judo in the 1964 Olympics. So...Judo was already widespread enough by 1964 to be in the Olympics. It certainly would be available to American cold war combatants.

[Icelander]

Originally Posted by whswhs

I'm assuming that it was used by people ignorant of the actual martial arts. However, the fact that it was in somewhat common use is evidence toward my claim that judo was somewhat familiar in the United States in the Cold War era, and therefore could be available to an American MMA combatant.

Bill Stoddard

Note that judo has been an Olympic sport since 1964 (with the exception of 1968, when it was absent), so it would be available during much of the Cold War era to pretty much any nationality. It was commonplace in Icelandic gyms since before I was born and I really doubt that the US, with all their immigrants and their huge population, was behind us in this.

On the other hand, a Far East origin is not necessary for something to count as a martial art. Boxing and catch/shoot wrestling are just as good or better than many exotic martial arts as a foundation for an MMA fighter. Even Graeco-Roman wrestling is a decent beginning and probably about as good as judo.