Zhodani without Psi

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

Dragging advanced memetics from THS could allow for creepy social manipulation. THS uses it almost like mind control as is.

Not really. The numbers of affected people produced by THS memetics are inferior to TL7-TL8 political campaigns.

[Peter Knutsen]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I can't see how one could really read minds with realistic technology. Stream of consciousness even when fully subvocalized is near gibberish to anyone else.

I did some thinking, more than a decade ago, about various forms of machine aided pseudo-psi (eventually, with great skill, doable even without machines), using subliminal communications and so forth. One of the ideas I had was that you'd "test" someone who exposing him or her to a subliminal stimuli, and noting the reaction (physiology and so forth). In theory, it'd be possible to "interrogate" someone that way, by showing them things that they are expected to react to in one particular fashion if they are good citizens, and so if they fail to react correctly in several cases, you know you've caught a thought-criminal.

If you can also measure brain wave patterns, when you do this kind of interrogation, then it becomes at least less implausible. It also helps if you can put the "subliminal" stimuli directly into the brain, instead of having to place it internally and then rely upon the senses to pick it up and subsequently on the subconscious mind to notice it.

[cptbutton]

Originally Posted by Peter Knutsen

I did some thinking, more than a decade ago, about various forms of machine aided pseudo-psi (eventually, with great skill, doable even without machines), using subliminal communications and so forth. One of the ideas I had was that you'd "test" someone who exposing him or her to a subliminal stimuli, and noting the reaction (physiology and so forth). In theory, it'd be possible to "interrogate" someone that way, by showing them things that they are expected to react to in one particular fashion if they are good citizens, and so if they fail to react correctly in several cases, you know you've caught a thought-criminal

That is roughly what the Voight-Kampf machines do in Bladerunner. They measure emotional reactions to questions, and the operators know how the reactions of replicants tend to differ from those of born-men.

[Peter Knutsen]

Originally Posted by cptbutton

That is roughly what the Voight-Kampf machines do in Bladerunner. They measure emotional reactions to questions, and the operators know how the reactions of replicants tend to differ from those of born-men.

Sure, but the questions are asked out loud, which takes multiple seconds per question and gives the test subject the opportunity to try to control his reactions so as to fake being a "good human".

[Toltrin]

I guess we can have Arnold Schwarzenegger movies with out muscles...