rule clarification

[pinchus]

that kinda sucks :(

unless of course you do this to someone else...

thanks a ton

[bonetm]

Originally Posted by pinchus

saying that if you have 5 or more you MUST give charity, implying that if you have 5 you CAN give charity if you want to

I didn't said "MUST", I said you only CAN give Charity if you have more than 5 cards in your hand...

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by Enzzo

Actually, you can still play the new Big item, and then you have to choose a Big item to get rid of.

Because this got a little lost in the confusion: this is not correct. Under normal circumstances (not a Dwarf, not using Cheat!, etc.), you cannot play a second Big item if you already have one in play.

[Enzzo]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

Because this got a little lost in the confusion: this is not correct. Under normal circumstances (not a Dwarf, not using Cheat!, etc.), you cannot play a second Big item if you already have one in play.

Oops! My mistake. I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying :)

[tremorlaine]

Originally Posted by Mister Ed

You have to deal with the excess immediately. Unfortunately, during combat there are not a lot of legal options other than giving them away/discarding them. You could play another Dwarf card if you had one (assuming it was your turn, or you had somehow just recieved it if it wasn't your turn) to allow you to keep the extra items. But you can't sell during combat, you can't play a hireling during combat (there's a lot of stuff you can't do during combat) and you can't wait until combat is over to deal with the situation.

I didn't think you could give away items during combat either. I think the only option for the player who loses dwarf in combat and has multiple big items is to discard them down to one or play another dwarf card.

[Mister Ed]

Originally Posted by tremorlaine

I didn't think you could give away items during combat either. I think the only option for the player who loses dwarf in combat and has multiple big items is to discard them down to one or play another dwarf card.

Andrew can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that since the rule on Big items explicitly mentions giving them away if you have too many, that would override the usual inability to do that sort of thing during combat.

EDIT: Here's the relevant portion of the rules:

If something lets you have more than one Big item (for instance,
the Dwarf race) and you lose that ability, you must either correct
the problem immediately or get rid of all but one Big item. If it’s
your turn and you’re not in combat, you can sell the excess Big items
(as long as you have at least 1,000 Gold Pieces of Items to sell).
Otherwise, you must give them to the lowest-Level player(s)who
can carry them!

The way that is phrased makes it clear (to me anyway) that even if this happens to you while you are in combat, you not only MAY give extras away, but you MUST (unless nobody can carry them- then they get discarded) assuming you have no other legal way of fixing the problem.

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by Mister Ed

The way that is phrased makes it clear (to me anyway) that even if this happens to you while you are in combat, you not only MAY give extras away, but you MUST (unless nobody can carry them- then they get discarded) assuming you have no other legal way of fixing the problem.

Exactly. It's an exception to the usual rule about not trading during combat.

[MunchkinMan]

Originally Posted by pinchus

saying that if you have 5 or more you MUST give charity, implying that if you have 5 you CAN give charity if you want to

The rules say more than 5, not 5 or more. You must perform Charity if you have more than 5 cards in your hand. If you don't have more than 5 cards in your hands, or you can play enough cards to get you down to 5 or less, Charity doesn't come in to play, and you have no legal way to just give cards to someone.

[Clipper]

Originally Posted by Mister Ed

You have to deal with the excess immediately. Unfortunately, during combat there are not a lot of legal options other than giving them away/discarding them. You could play another Dwarf card if you had one (assuming it was your turn, or you had somehow just recieved it if it wasn't your turn) to allow you to keep the extra items. But you can't sell during combat, you can't play a hireling during combat (there's a lot of stuff you can't do during combat) and you can't wait until combat is over to deal with the situation.

You actually can play a Hireling during combat. The rules say:

Originally Posted by The Need For Steed Rules

You can play a Hireling at any time, even in combat, as long as you have only one Hireling in play at a time.

Even if you only have the Hireling from Munchkin and Munchkin 3 (which don't follow the Hireling rules unless you have a set with the Hireling rules), they are not Items, so they can be played during combat as there is no restriction.

Playing a Hireling from your hand is a perfectly valid way to save one of your extra Big Items if you legally had them somehow and lost that ability.

[Mister Ed]

Originally Posted by Clipper

Playing a Hireling from your hand is a perfectly valid way to save one of your extra Big Items if you legally had them somehow and lost that ability.

Snazzy! Though I don't know how often I have a Hireling sitting in my hand when I've got none on the table, so this will probably never come into play for me. ;-)