Steal Essence range limit

[tHEhERETIC]

So was I correct that the three Impudites could not drain the Malakite, despite being more powerful than he, because there was no way they'd be able to charm him?

[Rocket Man]

Originally Posted by tHEhERETIC

So was I correct that the three Impudites could not drain the Malakite, despite being more powerful than he, because there was no way they'd be able to charm him?

Given the latter, the former is true, yes. An Impudite can only take Essence from a charmed victim.

[JCD]

Originally Posted by tHEhERETIC

So was I correct that the three Impudites could not drain the Malakite, despite being more powerful than he, because there was no way they'd be able to charm him?

Why wouldn't the Impudites be able to Charm him? Angels are just as suceptible, albeit with stronger Wills and more Forces. It even mentions it in canon.

[Rocket Man]

Originally Posted by JCD

Why wouldn't the Impudites be able to Charm him? Angels are just as suceptible, albeit with stronger Wills and more Forces. It even mentions it in canon.

A Charm can work on an angel, yes, but if I remember the core rules correctly, the chances of success on the "average angel" (3 Celestial Forces, Will 6, etc.) were exactly zero.

[tHEhERETIC]

Originally Posted by Rocket Man

A Charm can work on an angel, yes, but if I remember the core rules correctly, the chances of success on the "average angel" (3 Celestial Forces, Will 6, etc.) were exactly zero.

I worked on the idea that the Charm causes the victim to rationalize liking the demon, and a very zealous Malakite, even given my modified dice system, no way he could rationalize sparing them.

[Rocket Man]

Originally Posted by tHEhERETIC

I worked on the idea that the Charm causes the victim to rationalize liking the demon, and a very zealous Malakite, even given my modified dice system, no way he could rationalize sparing them.

Seems logical.

[Archangel Beth]

Originally Posted by tHEhERETIC

I worked on the idea that the Charm causes the victim to rationalize liking the demon, and a very zealous Malakite, even given my modified dice system, no way he could rationalize sparing them.

But, you see, this demon is CLEARLY a Redemption candidate! Killing him would be counterproductive! Picking him up and carting him to a Tether is much better...

[tHEhERETIC]

Originally Posted by Archangel Beth

But, you see, this demon is CLEARLY a Redemption candidate! Killing him would be counterproductive! Picking him up and carting him to a Tether is much better...

You are more devious than I.

I'll point you to L. Rel pg 112 and the three impudites there, and see if you still think it would have worked.

[Omegonthesane]

Originally Posted by Archangel Beth

But, you see, this demon is CLEARLY a Redemption candidate! Killing him would be counterproductive! Picking him up and carting him to a Tether is much better...

I wouldn't even say you have to be that kind to get the Charm through - "He's pretty for a demon. Nice, too. Almost a shame. But oaths are oaths. He's probably burnt down an orphanage or... oh dear, there goes my Essence."

[JCD]

Originally Posted by Rocket Man

A Charm can work on an angel, yes, but if I remember the core rules correctly, the chances of success on the "average angel" (3 Celestial Forces, Will 6, etc.) were exactly zero.

Yes, but that also assumes an AVERAGE demon.

Curtis, with a Will of 9 (not outrageous) is an Impudite of Belial. If he touches an angel while lighting a cigarette, he's added +5 to his roll (+2 touching, +3 for Corp Forces)...making his chances 8 or less. Yes, they get a Will roll but angels tend to buy up Perception.

I always look at Charm in two ways: First, the Impudite is pushing HIS relationship to the front of the line in the person's mind.

The second is that the Impudites have a trick of pushing the part of the brain which causes a dopamine to be released, hence the 'good feeling' at seeing an Impudite when charmed (if you need a pseudo scientific analogy. But that part of the brain is a darned slippery target...)